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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    “If we don't do this, nobody argues with the fact that health care costs are going to consume the entire federal budget.” — President Barack Obama¹

    “If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee: Your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you ... Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year.” — President Barack Obama²

    The clear and present danger to liberty is the status quo.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    “If we don't do this, nobody argues with the fact that health care costs are going to consume the entire federal budget.” — President Barack Obama¹

    “If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee: Your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you ... Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year.” — President Barack Obama²

    The clear and present danger to liberty is the status quo.
    The claim that opposition to the Statists' healthcare objectives denotes a desire to maintain the status quo is a demonstrable straw-man.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So true Chappy. And great changes in this country have never been popular to all like freeing slaves, civil rights, desegregation, the list goes on and on. Usually the right thing is not easy either.
    What a strawman.
    Freeing slaves and civil rights are about honoring a person right to their labor.
    This health care is about taking away people's right to their labor.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    “If we don't do this, nobody argues with the fact that health care costs are going to consume the entire federal budget.” — President Barack Obama¹

    “If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee: Your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you ... Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year.” — President Barack Obama²

    The clear and present danger to liberty is the status quo.
    If he lets it consume the entire federal budget he's a bigger idiot that I initially thought.

    So can you provide me any cost control measures this bill is going to provide?
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So you are just speculating then when you said, "Higher Insurance Premiums for all!!!!" ?
    Sure, I am making a statement based on the information that I have available.
    May be when this get posted on the internet, as promised, we'll get to see what's in it.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    The claim that opposition to the Statists' healthcare objectives denotes a desire to maintain the status quo is a demonstrable straw-man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    If he lets it consume the entire federal budget he's a bigger idiot that I initially thought. …
    And yet the opposition to this bill provided no alternatives, just obstruction: sounds like an endorsement of the status quo to me.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    And yet the opposition to this bill provided no alternatives, just obstruction: sounds like an endorsement of the status quo to me.
    That's patently false.

    Thousands of people are killed in car accidents in this country each and everyone should generally agree that something should be done to reduce that number.

    If there was a movement in congress to ban cars to reduce the number of fatal auto accidents each year, would you be consistent and say that anyone opposed to the banning of automobiles were just endorsing the status quo?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So true Chappy. And great changes in this country have never been popular to all like freeing slaves, civil rights, desegregation, the list goes on and on. Usually the right thing is not easy either.
    Um, have you ever heard of a "representative democracy"? Representatives are elected to represent the will of the people.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    How dare you slander the American people, who came out in droves in opposition to this agenda, in such a way?
    Not really. You mean the fabricated claims of the attendance at the "Tea party" that was orchestrated by the right wing FAUX news or the misinformed and purposely disruptive few at the town hall meetings? I loved your obviously well informed woman that chanted she didn't want the government to get it's hands on Medicare. Hey lady! Medicare is the government! And then there was the genius that asked Barny Frank a Jew why he was supporting a "Nazi policy?" I'm sorry I refuse to insult the American people and try and sell the sham that this is MOST of the people. If it is we are in deep trouble.

    Some of you people keep telling the rest of us that MOST PEOPLE are against health care reform just because you are not for it. Just saying it's so doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    What a strawman.
    Freeing slaves and civil rights are about honoring a person right to their labor.
    This health care is about taking away people's right to their labor.
    Your opinion. One could argue on the other side of the fence, health care reform is about freeing people up to enjoy life, liberty, and happiness vs. the worry about losing everything you worked for all your life due to a catastrophic illness, or even having affordable health care in the first place. I really have to wonder if those of you that are opposed to health care reform have had any experience with the cost of heath care. I seriously doubt it.

    You can say or believe what you want about Obama but we can't continue on the path of the status quo regarding health care. With costs projected to triple in ten years noone will be able to afford it, and the insurances companies will first refuse to pay and then declare bankruptcy. If you think our recession is bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet when the health care industry collapses.

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