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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But if they drive, it is a mandate that they have insurance, so they are ebing told to buy something.

    True it is harder to opt out of care, though many don't buy, but receive care all the same, often through the most expensive avenue, the ER. If you can show me how they can opt out of care and not use care when needed, I might agree with you.
    You are having an issue with the words "choice" and "forced".

    By law, under this bill citizens are forced to buy the insurance.

    By law, no one is forced to drive or buy auto insurance.

    There is a huge difference. Driving a car is completely optional by law.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    If you drive you are required to have insurance beacuse you are putting others at risk each time you get out on the road, and there are millions of people doing this at a time across the nation.

    With Health care...well...we don't always need it all the time, and it's more for if we ourselves get sick. And there's no privilege we're being granted that requires the responsibility of having health care.

    but that's really not an argument for or against, it's just kinda eh.
    And if you need health care and are uninsured, someone else is having to pay for it. So, it involves others. Just because you can't pay doesn't mean it was free. And you need this every bit as much as auto insurance. More I'd say.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But if they drive, it is a mandate that they have insurance, so they are ebing told to buy something.

    True it is harder to opt out of care, though many don't buy, but receive care all the same, often through the most expensive avenue, the ER. If you can show me how they can opt out of care and not use care when needed, I might agree with you.
    You do see the key word there?
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    You are having an issue with the words "choice" and "forced".

    By law, under this bill citizens are forced to buy the insurance.

    By law, no one is forced to drive or buy auto insurance.

    There is a huge difference. Driving a car is completely optional by law.
    They are if they drive. Again, your distinction is a small one without any real difference. If we could choose not to need health care, like we choose not to drive, I would agree with you. But while many might think they don't need it, they are one tragedy away from having us, others, to take care of their mistake in judgment. As we have stated clearly as a nation we won't say too bad for you, and throw you out untreated, we have to address this. The premise behind both is the same, making sure others don;t pay for your error in judgment.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    You do see the key word there?
    I understand the words, but as I explained above, that is a distinction without a real difference.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And if you need health care and are uninsured, someone else is having to pay for it.
    In which way?Nobody ever picked up any of my bills when I was uninsured....I want to know where this gravy train is.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    In which way?Nobody ever picked up any of my bills when I was uninsured....I want to know where this gravy train is.
    If you didn't pay them, they did. Providers raised prices to cover those who didn't pay. Premiums went up due to those pay cost hikes. Everyone who is insured or can pay for their own, pays for those who can't pay. And maybe more than they would if they paid a tax.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I understand the words, but as I explained above, that is a distinction without a real difference.
    I am a bit at a loss for words here.

    Driving is completely optional.

    Breathing is not.

    Under this law, which appear to be highly unconstitutional, citizens for the very act of breathing are forced to purchase a commodity.

    No one has ever been forced to buy auto insurance. They can choose with a free will not to drive.

    I am not a Republican. I find the party corrupt. But, I cannot support something so entirely authoritarian that goes against the very essence of what it means to be an American.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And if you need health care and are uninsured, someone else is having to pay for it. So, it involves others. Just because you can't pay doesn't mean it was free. And you need this every bit as much as auto insurance. More I'd say.
    I wonder what the payout/denial rate is for Auto Insurance vs Medical Insurance? And on average which costs more and is used more?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Truth View Post
    I am a bit at a loss for words here.

    Driving is completely optional.

    Breathing is not.

    Under this law, which appear to be highly unconstitutional, citizens for the very act of breathing are forced to purchase a commodity.

    No one has ever been forced to buy auto insurance. They can choose with a free will not to drive.

    I am not a Republican. I find the party corrupt. But, I cannot support something so entirely authoritarian that goes against the very essence of what it means to be an American.
    While you're right that driving is optional, that is what makes it optional to buy insurance. However, if driving were not optional, then buying auto insurance would not be optional, as the problem is with people not being able to afford the consequence of having an accident.

    Health care meets this same criteria in that people cannot afford the consequences. The only difference is there is no way to opt out of needing care. But the premise is the same, we have to content with the consequences of actions we can't afford without insurance. Just like people had to pay for damage others caused and couldn't repair, if you are ill or injured severely enough, and you don't have the means or the insurance to cover you, all of us have to pay for it. The premise is the same.

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