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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Eliminating the use of pre-existing conditions to deny coverage to people will simplify the business; no longer can the most cut throat insurance companies undermine their competitors.

    The competition should be about keeping overhead costs low and delivering the best service; not how clever these insurance companies can be in denying benefits to the unfortunate people who have bought their products and have the temerity to submit claims.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    All partisan blow or exaggerated media hype. As someone that is married to an educator, and has substituted at several public school systems, our public school system is perfectly capable of doing a good job of education. However for that to happen three things have to happen:

    1. The student needs to want to learn.

    2. The parents need to care and get involved in their child's education to motivate the child.

    3. The politicians need to get out of the hair of the educators and allow the educators to do their job and stop coming up with under or unfunded mandates or ridiculous requirements. My wife spends an inordinate amount of time just dealing with the bull**** the politicians come up with vs. actual teaching time. She spends at least 15 hours a day at school just to get e
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    BTW to put all this on a one political party is so silly it's almost laughable. So Bush's NCLB flop was a democrat thing? Please.
    We need to focus on basics, not pandering, no bullsh*t classes, not pushing through rodents that can't read or write to the level they should.

    We need to bust apart the powerful teacher's union, and have them compete. If you go to skool an' kain't teach a lick, then learnz fast or go bag groceries. Kids shouldn't have to pay for the incompetence of a unionized system. Kill the teachers unions, kill them now, and kill them dead.

    It isn't complicated... but it requires a few things... teach the basics, kill the unions, pay teachers per performance. Y'know, like in the real world.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Eliminating the use of pre-existing conditions to deny coverage to people will simplify the business; no longer can the most cut throat insurance companies undermine their competitors.

    The competition should be about keeping overhead costs low and delivering the best service; not how clever these insurance companies can be in denying benefits to the unfortunate people who have bought their products and have the temerity to submit claims.
    On the topic of keeping overhead costs low, what do you think about getting rid of HMOs? Tort reform?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Eliminating the use of pre-existing conditions to deny coverage to people will simplify the business; no longer can the most cut throat insurance companies undermine their competitors.
    a laudable accomplishment, congrats

    but was it really necessary to FORCE 20 million americans to buy something they can't afford in the first place to achieve it?

    do we really have to cut m and m half a T to get pre existing conditions?

    couldn't we have achieved that fine reform without putting 200B of mandates upon already bankrupt states?

    must we really account 10 years of taxes vs 6 of outlays to achieve deficit neutrality?

    etc?

    etc?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Just checking


    In general I disagree with the scope of Democrat policies. I'm more of a less bureaucracy, more effectively written regulation kind of guy. Democrats want to increase the physical size of government to increase its efficiency and to assist the citizens. This is their socialist lean, creeping in on things that the Citizens can, and often choose not, to do for themselves. However, almost all politicians nowadays, regardless of lean, are for bigger government as it serves to keep them in control and their pockets fat.


    Better?
    Yes. Much better. I see government more as a tool we the people can use. After all, we have the power to fire everyone elected (and they can fire the others). Government isn't doing it for us, it is us tackling large problems through the government, much as we do through churches, charities, organizations, and any number of ways in which people work together to solve problems. As long as we can fire, vote out, and change direction when things don't meet our satisfaction, it is less socialistic, and more the people working to solve problems.

    Can our leaders abuse this? Abuse our trust and make money off of us? Sure they can. As can our employers, employees, church leaders, charities, organizations, and any number of things we invest in and work through. And we have someone control in all those things, including government (though not unlimited and absolute or complete control).

    And I agree all parties and political animals are equally likely to disappoint and abuse.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Eliminating the use of pre-existing conditions to deny coverage to people will simplify the business; no longer can the most cut throat insurance companies undermine their competitors.

    The competition should be about keeping overhead costs low and delivering the best service; not how clever these insurance companies can be in denying benefits to the unfortunate people who have bought their products and have the temerity to submit claims.
    I agree with this.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    a laudable accomplishment, congrats

    but was it really necessary to FORCE 20 million americans to buy something they can't afford in the first place to achieve it?

    do we really have to cut m and m half a T to get pre existing conditions?

    couldn't we have achieved that fine reform without putting 200B of mandates upon already bankrupt states?

    must we really account 10 years of taxes vs 6 of outlays to achieve deficit neutrality?

    etc?

    etc?
    Which is why the public option was actually necessary. They way insurance works best is to have a large pool, and it has to include healthy people paying. Without this, benefits are less and the need to ration is greater.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Eliminating the use of pre-existing conditions to deny coverage to people will simplify the business; no longer can the most cut throat insurance companies undermine their competitors.

    The competition should be about keeping overhead costs low and delivering the best service; not how clever these insurance companies can be in denying benefits to the unfortunate people who have bought their products and have the temerity to submit claims.
    Though I agree with this, there are many more an inscrutable ways that insurance companies deny coverage. Strict regulations need to be put in place to prevent these things.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I'll even give you one better. For the ones that were able to recover, insurance or lack thereof also had nothing to do with it.
    But who pays for it? That's right, the rest of us through higher premiums.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    On the topic of keeping overhead costs low, what do you think about getting rid of HMOs? Tort reform?
    Not enough.

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