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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    While we're at it, let's pushe Universal Car Care from the Government too, because many people's cars, especially those whom depend on their car most, go without this care and eventually it will cost them much more down the road, and unlike medical care, when your car breaks, there's no law requiring a mechanic to fix it.

    UNIVERSAL CAR CARE NOW!

    UNIVERSAL CAR CARE NOW!

    UNIVERSAL CAR CARE NOW!

    UNIVERSAL CAR CARE NOW!

    UNIVERSAL CAR CARE NOW!

    UNIVERSAL CAR CARE NOW!
    I wonder how it would look if we took what it cost per year per car to buy, maintain, fuel, insure, etc. a car, and compared it to what it cost to purchase health insurance for a typical family.
    Could it be that our priorities are skewed?
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I said creative, not silly and Beckish.

    List of Political Party Platforms (say that five times fast)
    Political Party Platforms

    Democrat one here: Democratic Party Platforms: 2008 Democratic Party Platform

    Here is the Socialist Party's platform circa 1928

    1. "Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam and Muscle Shoals." (Boulder Dam, renamed Hoover Dam, and Muscle Shoals are now both federal government projects.)
    2. "A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost." (Tennessee Valley Authority.)
    3. "National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication." (Railroad passenger service is completely nationalized through Amtrak. Some freight service is nationalized through Conrail. The FCC controls communications by telephone, telegraph, radio, and television.)
    4. "An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation." (Government expenditures for these purposes are currently in the many [non-adjusted] billions of dollars.)
    5. "Immediate government relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works " (In the 1930s, WPA and PWA were a direct counterpart; now, a wide variety of other programs are.) "All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions." (The Davis-Bacon and Walsh-Healey Acts required contractors with government contracts to pay "prevailing wages," generally interpreted as highest union wages.)
    6. "Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery." (Federal grants in aid to states and local municipalities currently total [non-adjusted] tens of billions of dollars a year.)
    7. "A system of unemployment insurance." (Part of Social Security system)
    8. "The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor." (U.S. Employment Service and affiliated state employment services administer a network of about 2,500 [in 1980] local employment offices.)
    9. "A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance." (Part of Social Security system.)
    10. "Shortening the workday" and "Securing to every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week." (Legislated by wages and hours laws that require overtime for more than forty hours of work per week.)
    11. "Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment." (Not achieved as amendment, but essence incorporated in various legislative
    12. "Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents." (Party achieved, partly not.)
    13. "Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance." (In 1928, highest personal income tax rate, 25 percent; in 1978, 70 percent; in 1928, corporate tax rate, 12 percent; in 1978, 48 percent; in 1928, top federal estate tax rate, 20 percent; in 1978, 70 percent.)
    14. "Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation." (Not achieved in this form, but property taxes have risen drastically.)

    from Libertarian Majority: Socialist Party Of America 1928 Platform



    "The American people do not want government to solve all our problems; we know that personal responsibility, character, imagination, diligence, hard work and faith ultimately determine individual achievement."

    Odd, This doesn't seem like the Democrat party that is in 'power'...

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You know I've been pondering this for a while now. Isn't it strange how in the Global warming debates, 'man is the problem', but inversely in this debate 'we must save man'..... How does that square?

    Could it possibly be that those who are in agreement with Hugo Chavez that Capitalism is the root of evil today, that we must destroy it?

    And how better to accomplish this than to attack it on several fronts and overwhelm the system.


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    No, that's just silly. Man doesn't seem at all willing to save himself in either. And no one is proposing or suggesting anything that would relate to Chavez in any way. To even bring up his name is to say, "let's skip debate and jump right into silly hyperbole."

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    List of Political Party Platforms (say that five times fast)
    Political Party Platforms

    Democrat one here: Democratic Party Platforms: 2008 Democratic Party Platform

    Here is the Socialist Party's platform circa 1928

    1. "Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam and Muscle Shoals." (Boulder Dam, renamed Hoover Dam, and Muscle Shoals are now both federal government projects.)
    2. "A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost." (Tennessee Valley Authority.)
    3. "National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication." (Railroad passenger service is completely nationalized through Amtrak. Some freight service is nationalized through Conrail. The FCC controls communications by telephone, telegraph, radio, and television.)
    4. "An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation." (Government expenditures for these purposes are currently in the many [non-adjusted] billions of dollars.)
    5. "Immediate government relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works " (In the 1930s, WPA and PWA were a direct counterpart; now, a wide variety of other programs are.) "All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions." (The Davis-Bacon and Walsh-Healey Acts required contractors with government contracts to pay "prevailing wages," generally interpreted as highest union wages.)
    6. "Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery." (Federal grants in aid to states and local municipalities currently total [non-adjusted] tens of billions of dollars a year.)
    7. "A system of unemployment insurance." (Part of Social Security system)
    8. "The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor." (U.S. Employment Service and affiliated state employment services administer a network of about 2,500 [in 1980] local employment offices.)
    9. "A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance." (Part of Social Security system.)
    10. "Shortening the workday" and "Securing to every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week." (Legislated by wages and hours laws that require overtime for more than forty hours of work per week.)
    11. "Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment." (Not achieved as amendment, but essence incorporated in various legislative
    12. "Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents." (Party achieved, partly not.)
    13. "Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance." (In 1928, highest personal income tax rate, 25 percent; in 1978, 70 percent; in 1928, corporate tax rate, 12 percent; in 1978, 48 percent; in 1928, top federal estate tax rate, 20 percent; in 1978, 70 percent.)
    14. "Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation." (Not achieved in this form, but property taxes have risen drastically.)

    from Libertarian Majority: Socialist Party Of America 1928 Platform



    "The American people do not want government to solve all our problems; we know that personal responsibility, character, imagination, diligence, hard work and faith ultimately determine individual achievement."

    Odd, This doesn't seem like the Democrat party that is in 'power'...
    None of those are proposed today by anyone. Like I said, silly Beckishism. I can't take this seriously until someone starts dealing in reality.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I wonder how it would look if we took what it cost per year per car to buy, maintain, fuel, insure, etc. a car, and compared it to what it cost to purchase health insurance for a typical family.
    Could it be that our priorities are skewed?
    Hmmmm. That's a good idea. Let's just make up a hypothetical if we can't get any good statistics. say someone with a 14,000 brand new car that gets about 25-30mpg, gas at the current national average, they drive approximately 600 miles per month, and since it's new, maintenance for the year is probably...let's see 4 oil changes a year at 30 bucks a pop, maybe a new tire for a flat so that's another $175, maybe a little for brakes and fluid flush so...Let's go with $120 + $175 + $300 = $595 as maintenance for one year with pretty crappy luck of one flat tire and some above and beyond maintenance? Now at 600 miles a month, divide that by 25 and you get 24 gallons of gas a month at at current gas prices that's about 2.50 a gallon (AAA Fuel Gauge Report) and we get 60 bucks a month in gas. So that's $720 a year...

    $14,000 + $595 + $720 = $15,315 the year that the car is purchased, and given some elbow room we'll say it's about $1000-1500 a year barring any major emergency repairs or increases in gas prices.


    Anyone want to alter these statistics and can anyone come up with some "average cost of health care" per year stats?

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    None of those are proposed today by anyone. Like I said, silly Beckishism. I can't take this seriously until someone starts dealing in reality.
    I smell a troll. or an alternate account...

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I smell a troll. or an alternate account...
    Can't help what you think you smell, but facts are facts. Nothing happening today is new or any more socialistic than we've seen for decades from all parties. And to be so devoid of imagination as to repeat the same garbage this country has been slinging since before the civil war is just sad. You don't like democrats. We get it. You disagree on policy, fine. No objection here. But please try to do so based on factual substance and not this Beckish silliness. And if you must go the fantasy route, be creative, come up with something new, something not a hundred or so years old.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can't help what you think you smell, but facts are facts. Nothing happening today is new or any more socialistic than we've seen for decades from all parties. And to be so devoid of imagination as to repeat the same garbage this country has been slinging since before the civil war is just sad. You don't like democrats. We get it. You disagree on policy, fine. No objection here. But please try to do so based on factual substance and not this Beckish silliness. And if you must go the fantasy route, be creative, come up with something new, something not a hundred or so years old.
    Alright, well there's this new theory I've been working on.

    It's called Nannyism, and the Democrat party is keen on it.

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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    None of those are proposed today by anyone. Like I said, silly Beckishism. I can't take this seriously until someone starts dealing in reality.
    Give Obama and his Obammunists enough terms in office, and they would.
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    Re: Nelson says he'll support healthcare bill

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    Give Obama and his Obammunists enough terms in office, and they would.
    Nah, but watching you get hysterical about it would alone make it worthwhile.
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