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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What does that have to do with the issue of buy American and outsourcing?
    You still don't get it? Why do they outsource? Investors are not stupid. They did their sums before they decided to outsource.

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    You still don't get it? Why do they outsource? Investors are not stupid. They did their sums before they decided to outsource.
    Everyone knows why they outsource.Higher profit margin, this is common knowledge. Cheaper employees especially dirt cheap employees in other countries means more profit.It is human nature to want to want to get more for less.
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually we replaced many of those good paying jobs with machines. Why pay a skilled spot welder a high wage when a machine can do it 24 hours a day without a single mistake?

    Scorpion ignores the reallocation of the economy towards a service sector base which has seen the growth of many high paying jobs. It's partially a reason why the real wage average hasn't gone down. Scorpion's assertion is mathematically false as if those good jobs were really gone, real wages should have declined. Instead, they have merely stagnated.
    That wasn't the point of my post. Should have probably written it better. Even in the service sector thousands of formerly American jobs are outsourced every single year to IT professionals in India, China etc. simply because they can be paid less. Companies within the U.S. are working overtime to get congress to push the cap on working visas just because in the long run it's cheaper to pay $30K a year to an IT professional from India then it is to pay $50K to an American one. If this is happening to people with diplomas why shouldn't it happen to people without them?
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That wasn't the point of my post.
    True, I was just pointing out many of formerly good paying jobs are now done by machine.

    Even in the service sector thousands of formerly American jobs are outsourced every single year to IT professionals in India, China etc. simply because they can be paid less.
    However, many firms like Dell have realized that the quality is low and are bringing some back. I still hear Jetblue has its customer service done in the US.

    Companies within the U.S. are working overtime to get congress to push the cap on working visas just because in the long run it's cheaper to pay $30K a year to an IT professional from India then it is to pay $50K to an American one.
    Do you know if they are trying to reduce the legal sponsoring fees?
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Everyone knows why they outsource.Higher profit margin, this is common knowledge. Cheaper employees especially dirt cheap employees in other countries means more profit.It is human nature to want to want to get more for less.
    So do you think investers gonna get owned through legislation? They rather shut down the company if they not gonna make a tidy profit.

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    So do you think investers gonna get owned through legislation? They rather shut down the company if they not gonna make a tidy profit.
    How tiny were their profits before they outsourced? It couldn't have been tiny as you claimed it to be if they were operating here for many years and possibly many decades before they outsourced.
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are free to move your business where ever the hell you want. However my country should be able to impose whatever tariffs it can to ensure that goods made over here can fairly compete with goods you paid some Chinese kids 2 dollars a day to make.
    Your country and mine are the same. Why should you or anyone else attempt to punish me for success in the fact that I am making a product that is in some cases better than my competition. My labor costs are low but if I pay them fairly then why should I not profit?


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    However my country should be able to impose whatever tariffs it can to ensure that goods made over here can fairly compete with goods you paid some Chinese kids 2 dollars a day to make.
    So because you think you are too good to be paid so little or perhaps as lazy as to do so much which is every union that I seen in this country. You beleave that the standard of living in america should be the pass or fail grade for employment arround the world. How truly arragant you are. 2 dollars a month is a comparative in some rural villages in china last time I was in asia. 2 dollars a day is what an entry communist party offical makes.

    Also I love how you bring china into this. Did you know that the government of the peoples republic of China takes care of everything as far as benefits are concerned. The people do not pay anything for any type of medical or dental. The government gives them money to go on vacation every year.

    The most important thing for us as far as this conversation is concerned is that the Peoples Republic of China Central Finance Committee set the pay that is to be given to chinese nationals by foreign companies in an effort to maintain social equality whitin China. Not to mention the fact that china has actually invested and nationalised many of its exporting companies meaning that if we put a tarriff on all non products stemming from america china will do the same to us. and so will most of the world.

    Now that fact is not what MAKES YOU AN IDIOT. What MAKES YOU AN IDIOT is that you fail to grasp that we do not manufacture or create any of the things most americans need for day to day life.

    I hope you like wiping with news print because on two of the 7 major toilet paper manufacturers are completely american...

    Pass a tarriff like the one you and all your union morons support will be the death of the united states economy.

    To everone reading this In your Heart you may think that jamesrage is right but in your mind you know he's wrong.

    That the end of the discussion unless you can give a senario in which we are successful after the entire world looks at us as if we are spoiled rotten children saying its not fair when we see that the slice of pie we were expecting is smaller than what we wanted.
    Last edited by Slightly Left Of Center; 12-20-09 at 01:52 PM. Reason: messed up a quote

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    So do you think investers gonna get owned through legislation? They rather shut down the company if they not gonna make a tidy profit.
    They'd rather shut down their entire company and make NO dividends instead of making less? Unless there was another company they could invest in to make mo' money I suppose.

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Do those that support the implementation of tariffs not understand the consequences of such actions? Why do you think WW1 happened?
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Slightly Left Of Center View Post
    Your country and mine are the same. Why should you or anyone else attempt to punish me for success in the fact that I am making a product that is in some cases better than my competition.
    You are not being punished. It would be done to ensure that American companies stay American and that we do not depending on some other nation to make out ****.

    My labor costs are low but if I pay them fairly then why should I not profit?
    Going to some 3rd world country to circumvent the American labor market is not a fair wage.


    So because you think you are too good to be paid so little or perhaps as lazy as to do so much which is every union that I seen in this country.
    What entitles you to make what you make? Are you too good to make less are you to lazy to make money yourself instead of making it off the sweat and backs of others?


    You beleave that the standard of living in america should be the pass or fail grade for employment arround the world.
    I realize that the standard of living is higher in the US. Which is why tarrifs should take into account where a product was made in order to fairly compete with a product made over here.


    Also I love how you bring china into this. Did you know that the government of the peoples republic of China takes care of everything as far as benefits are concerned. The people do not pay anything for any type of medical or dental. The government gives them money to go on vacation every year
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    If you like a communist country so much then why not move here if this country is so bad?
    The most important thing for us as far as this conversation is concerned is that the Peoples Republic of China Central Finance Committee set the pay that is to be given to chinese nationals by foreign companies in an effort to maintain social equality whitin China. Not to mention the fact that china has actually invested and nationalised many of its exporting companies meaning that if we put a tarriff on all non products stemming from america china will do the same to us. and so will most of the world.

    Things didn't seem that bad before our government basically sold out to China of all countries by encouraging American companies to outsource to China. So please stop with the fear mongering.

    Now that fact is not what MAKES YOU AN IDIOT.
    Now what makes you a piece of shit globalist anti-American trash is you would sell your own country out to make a buck.See I can throw insults too.

    What MAKES YOU AN IDIOT is that you fail to grasp that we do not manufacture or create any of the things most americans need for day to day life.
    What makes you a idiot is the fact that sell outs and traitors allowed those companies to leave in the first place. So if we placed the appropriate tariffs then Americans can make those products again.


    Pass a tarriff like the one you and all your union morons support will be the death of the united states economy.

    To everyone reading this In your Heart you may think that jamesrage is right but in your mind you know he's wrong.

    That the end of the discussion unless you can give a senario in which we are successful after the entire world looks at us as if we are spoiled rotten children saying its not fair when we see that the slice of pie we were expecting is smaller than what we wanted

    Again things were fine before we started allowing companies to outsource to China so please stop with the fear mongering. We can impose tariffs, we did it before we started allowing jobs to outsource.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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