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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    How can one not see the complete idiocy in calling for "buying American" when the majority of products sold in the United States are imported?

    The US simply doesn't have sufficiently developed productive capacity to handle this. Not to mention the shocks that it would have on the global economy and the exporter nations.
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    How can one not see the complete idiocy in calling for "buying American" when the majority of products sold in the United States are imported?

    The US simply doesn't have sufficiently developed productive capacity to handle this. Not to mention the shocks that it would have on the global economy and the exporter nations.
    Yes we do the problem is this over the ast 30 year we have sent all of our good paying jobs outside of the Country and Congress didn't do squat to stop it. If we can Bail out the Auto and banking then we can find the money to invest in bring back Our Stolen Jobs.

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    I worked at a place that made table saws for home and industry. For a couple lines of our home saws, we bought table saws from China, and the guys would pull the table off it, mill it flat, put it back together and slap a "Made in America" sticker on it.

    Which is more made in America, a Ford built from parts mostly made in Canada, or a Toyota assembled and made from parts mostly made in America?
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89
    Yes we do
    No "you" don't. Industrial capacity isn't at that level, and it would take years, possibly decades, of restructuring to bring the US back towards a producer economy. It just isn't possible.

    over the ast 30 year we have sent all of our good paying jobs outside of the Country and Congress didn't do squat to stop it.
    Business has sent good paying jobs outside of the country because they get more return on their investment that way, and because they have to (the complete decimation of "American domestic industry" due to outsourcing proved this). It isn't possible to overturn this development, with any kind of governmental policy.

    But I'm intrigued about something. Are you a conservative?

    If we can Bail out the Auto and banking then we can find the money to invest in bring back Our Stolen Jobs.
    How is a corporation moving its industrial production by its own decision "stealing"?
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Be American, Buy American!
    Actually, last I checked being American was associated with believing in personal freedom, and the government telling me which products to buy sounds pretty anti-freedom to me.

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav
    Actually, last I checked being American was associated with believing in personal freedom, and the government telling me which products to buy sounds pretty anti-freedom to me.
    Damn you caught it. This is why I was asking him if he was a conservative.

    The contradiction between the defense of domestic industry and political/economic liberalism (in the classical sense, not in the way that it's used now) are insurmountable. Which is why so many conservatives are hypocrites.

    But I think political/economic liberalism died with the rise of monopoly capitalism in the run up to WW1 anyways.
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes we do the problem is this over the ast 30 year we have sent all of our good paying jobs outside of the Country and Congress didn't do squat to stop it.
    If this was true, why has the average real wage not declined then? If our good paying jobs were all exported, then we should see a decline in real wages rather then just stagnation. Simply put, an average that has the high end pay removed would result in a lower average. But the data does not support your position.

    And you really outta to look at the impact of automation upon jobs. Blame the Machines, not foreign trade.
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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This I can agree with. Our Federal government should be helping to prop up the American economy, not the economy of China, which is still an ideological enemy of the United States.

    Be American, Buy American!

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    Article is here.
    If this needed so bad why did the Republicans do it when they had a President and controlled Congress?

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Protectionism won't get you anywhere. There will be even more job losses cuz the rest of the world will boycott your products.

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    Re: Lipinski wants "buy American" wording in job legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No "you" don't. Industrial capacity isn't at that level, and it would take years, possibly decades, of restructuring to bring the US back towards a producer economy. It just isn't possible.
    Wrong let's take two off my list Texile and Ship Building.

    I'm from the Northeast watch has mill aftre mill was closed do to cheap labor cost overseas and what did Congress do nothing instead of protecting American jobs they look the other way. When Texile Mills upgrade with modern items Congress tax the hell out of them. Now in the Northeast allot of these mills still exist and can be easly re-open with new equipment if Congress steps in and help with Loans and tariffs. What this would do is bring back jobs and tax's.

    Now Ship Building at one time the US was one of the largest Civilian Ship Building Countries but because of Oversee's Substies for Ship Building the US Companies could compete hence Congress needed to step in and pass Laws stated that American Based Shipping Companies should have at least 75% of their fleet build in the US.



    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Business has sent good paying jobs outside of the country because they get more return on their investment that way, and because they have to (the complete decimation of "American domestic industry" due to outsourcing proved this). It isn't possible to overturn this development, with any kind of governmental policy.
    Yes it is you put a 100% tariff on these Companies that have sent Job out of the Country and then have the product return to the USA (IE Redress item about the Table Saws) They want to play this game a screw their fellow America then they must pay the piper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    But I'm intrigued about something. Are you a conservative?
    Nope I'm a register American this might be hard for you to understand

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    How is a corporation moving its industrial production by its own decision "stealing"?
    Because they are stealing Jobs and Taxs from America

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