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Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

No, this is what happens when people bitch too god-damned much about the cost of the defense budget and corner cutting ensues.

Now we spend some bucks, not many, to encrypt the video down-links.
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The cost of good encryption is minor, especially compared to everything else on an UAV. This was caused by incompetence, not lack of funding.
 
Exactly right! Every other branch--branch of arms and branch of service-- exists to support the infantry's mission.
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Yeah, because the infantry were vital in the Berlin airlift or fighting the Barbary pirates.:roll: Every branch has its own uses, depending on the circumstances. Infantry support is one of the most crucial, but hardly the only requirement. Not to mention that the "support" can often do more work than the infantry themselves.
 
rathi said:
Yeah, because the infantry were vital in the Berlin airlift or fighting the Barbary pirates.:roll: Every branch has its own uses, depending on the circumstances. Infantry support is one of the most crucial, but hardly the only requirement.
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Was the Berlin airlift a battle? No.

And, yes, there were Marine infantrymen posted to the United States Navy ships that went after the barbary pirates. Wanna guess why they were there?

But, ultimately, we're talking about ground combat, not policing the high seas, nor humanitarian missions.

Not to mention that the "support" can often do more work than the infantry themselves.
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That's true to an extent, but there has never been a war that didn't end with infantry soldiers finishing the job.
 
rathi said:
Yeah, because the infantry were vital in the Berlin airlift
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there was no 'fight' in the Berlin Airlift.
However, resupply by aircraft is just one of the many ways air supports the infantry.

or fighting the Barbary pirates
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This was to preserve the SLOC. This, ultimately, boils doen to supporting infantry by making sure that they are in supply.
And in any event -- the shores of Triploi were not taken by warships.

Every branch has its own uses, depending on the circumstances. Infantry support is one of the most crucial, but hardly the only requirement.
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Whatever the 'requirement', the effect is to make the infanrty's job easier.
Thus, support.
 
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Goobieman said:
there was no 'fight' in the Berlin Airlift.
However, resupply by aircraft is just one of the many ways air supports the infantry.


This was to preserve the SLOC. This, ultimately, boils doen to supporting infantry by making sure that they are in supply.
And in any event -- the shores of Triploi were not taken by warships.


Whatever the 'requirement', the effect is to make the infanrty's job easier.
Thus, support.
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You're rockin' the house today, Goobie.:thumbs:
 
apdst said:
This is what happens when we put too much stock in hi-tech gagetry, instead of fighting the enemy the old fashion way: by using speed, terrain, tactics and firepower to close with him and destroy him.

Me, kinda old fasioned like that.
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I guess it fits into firepower, but I would substitute it with carpet bombing.

Our technology is so good, our enemies at home (yes, you in the Democrat Party), and supposed allies abroad whine when a civilian or two are taken out in the process of trying to immobilize terrorists. Tragic for the family, but part of war.

Why is it our real enemies aren't violently opposed for their beheadings and inaction by their religious brethren? No, they get upset by cartoons.

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Our military technology is going on never created by the military during testing improvements are developed, but it's private industry that comes up with the goods in most all cases through competition based on parameters set by the Pentagon.

Our military leaders are products of our Military Academy's and they have very high standards and do produce "geeks" as some people call them who are very much into high tech gadgets.

Lack of funding is no excuse for not encrypting all of our military communications any teenage hacker will tell you that is easy to encrypt and can take damn near for ever to break into encrypted signals.

This is clearly a failure in the thought process that can easily solved at at reasonable cost.

I don't know if it's true that this debacle had no life threatening ramifications but I hope it's true and I'm glad it is a fairly easy fix.

But it is possible there are more than one cover up under way.

It is possible that knowing the enemy is watching it might be possible to manipulate then in some way.

The other possible cover up may be that there has been very serious negative effects.

What does piss me off is we should never have heard about this because it should have been a problem that was quietly fixed and the knowledge the enemy is watching could be used in some way against them.
 
Sometimes you wonder if they didn't want the insurgents to see downlinks.....how could you manipulate the enemy with that, say acting like you don't know about it? Nah, they screwed up, this wasn't planned.
 
American said:
Sometimes you wonder if they didn't want the insurgents to see downlinks.....how could you manipulate the enemy with that, say acting like you don't know about it? Nah, they screwed up, this wasn't planned.
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I don't believe that this was shrewd plan, but I agree with Councilman that it could have been used to manipulate the enemy.

Allow the enemy to peek in, but only as much as you want them to. Create a false sense of security, use their own ruse against them by giving them a direct link to only the deceptions you want them to see.
 
Can we go ahead and implement a unified combatant command for cyberwarfare and cyberdefense already?
 
If you can intercept a video feed...it can intercept you. A hand held device can be tracked people...remember that.
 
samsmart said:
Can we go ahead and implement a unified combatant command for cyberwarfare and cyberdefense already?
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If we make that turn, then we forfeit American Military dominance.

zimmer said:
I guess it fits into firepower, but I would substitute it with carpet bombing.

Our technology is so good, our enemies at home (yes, you in the Democrat Party), and supposed allies abroad whine when a civilian or two are taken out in the process of trying to immobilize terrorists. Tragic for the family, but part of war.

Why is it our real enemies aren't violently opposed for their beheadings and inaction by their religious brethren? No, they get upset by cartoons.

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Bombing only works to a certain extent, if you level a city (just ask the Germans from the battle of Stalingrad) then you can only expect more and more nooks and crannies for opposition to hide.

The twisted metal and ruins of Stalingrad provided support for the insurgents fighting the Germans.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Bombing only works to a certain extent, if you level a city (just ask the Germans from the battle of Stalingrad) then you can only expect more and more nooks and crannies for opposition to hide.

The twisted metal and ruins of Stalingrad provided support for the insurgents fighting the Germans.
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The mistake the Germans made was trying to capture Stalingrad vice bypassing it. By doing so, they could have drawn the Red Army, which only had one rifle for every two men, out into the open to be destroyed.
 
apdst said:
The mistake the Germans made was trying to capture Stalingrad vice bypassing it. By doing so, they could have drawn the Red Army, which only had one rifle for every two men, out into the open to be destroyed.
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It's not traditional of Europeans to effectively fight the Russians.
 
Arch Enemy said:
It's not traditional of Europeans to effectively fight the Russians.
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There are no historical examples of western Europeans defeating the Russians. That doesn't make it non-traditional. No one had ever defeated the Japanese, before we did, either.
 
apdst said:
There are no historical examples of western Europeans defeating the Russians. That doesn't make it non-traditional. No one had ever defeated the Japanese, before we did, either.
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I was making a joke.

The Americans who fought in WWII had no historical equivalents.
 
Arch Enemy said:
I was making a joke.

The Americans who fought in WWII had no historical equivalents.
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But, yes they did. Their historical equivalents were the soldiers of The Confederate Army from 1861 to 1865.

Demographically speaking, the former Confederate states have provided fighting men at a higher rate than any other region of the United States. That tradition continues till today.
 
apdst said:
But, yes they did. Their historical equivalents were the soldiers of The Confederate Army from 1861 to 1865.

Demographically speaking, the former Confederate states have provided fighting men at a higher rate than any other region of the United States. That tradition continues till today.
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Good point.

The Confederates were amazing soldiers. Still proud of my ancestors who fought, and my legacy in the South.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Good point.

The Confederates were amazing soldiers. Still proud of my ancestors who fought, and my legacy in the South.
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Proud of my ancestors that fought, too.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Good point.

The Confederates were amazing soldiers. Still proud of my ancestors who fought, and my legacy in the South.
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Treasonous anti-government swine! All the Confederates were dirty awful racists, and the Northerners were so nice and sweet and loved black folk!

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Ethereal said:
Treasonous anti-government swine! All the Confederates were dirty awful racists, and the Northerners were so nice and sweet and loved black folk!

:2razz:
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haha.


God forbid the voice of the States get heard over the commanding of the Fed.

People forget... the North came down here.

It was not a fight to liberate black people. It was a fight to finally put the Federal government as the sole-ruler of the lands. State's right today is almost an illusion.
 
Are some of you done bitching and moaning without the facts not to mention going off topic? The reason encryption was nonexistent in some cases is because it slows things down. Sometimes you have to act here and now and you have to take some risk.
 
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