Page 6 of 8 FirstFirst ... 45678 LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 75

Thread: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

  1. #51
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,005

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    The U.S. government has known about the flaw since the U.S. campaign in Bosnia in the 1990s, current and former officials said. But the Pentagon assumed local adversaries wouldn't know how to exploit it, the officials said.
    This has nothing to do with cutting expenditure corners. It's about making decisions on where to spend (waste in some cases) the funds. But this actually exposes another problem within the Pentagon. The Pentagon and the RMA often loses sight of the world their troops inhabit. This is what happens when war fighters become too far removed from it, become politically minded, and are surrounded by civilians who have never experienced the uniform yet "out rank" them.

    The Gulf War taught the Pentagon and the RMA the wrong lessons. Instead of the future they envisioned, where technology alone would win wars with the minimum of ground troops waltzing in to greet the surrendering enemy, they got the same future history has produced for thousands of years. Technology has its place, but war will never change. Of course, it would take the blundering of fools at high levels years to prove this correct with the concept of non-lethal weapon fantasies and "Shock and Awe" fireworks.

    We spend billions of dollars on a jet program that exists to fight a Soviet model enemy, but no troop receives adequate body armor to protect him against the 7.62 round that has been fired at him since the inception of the AK. I guess individual armor wasn't technological enough of a toy to play with. But once it became a political tool....

    Foolish theories and blundering decisions do indeed infect the hierarchy of the Defense sector. Our military power around the globe has allowed our diplomats and politicians to be unimaginitive and feed an impractical idea that our military can do anything at anytime with little effort (another bad lesson learned from the Gulf War). This relates directly into assuming that the enemy will behave in the manner in which our toys have been made. Or that if our enemy actually points out a weakness in our systems that he will be too stupid to "know how to exploit it." How about a UAV leak allows our enemy to understand our patterns? Or how to adjust his movement tactics? Just another example of how far removed the Pentagon thinkers and their civilian over lords are from the world of the troop. Our enemy has mixed the Internet, cellular phones, and Radio Shack devices with donkeys and the good old reliable AK. We spend billions on our toys and the media focuses on the 100 dollar IED. Who is getting a bigger bang for their buck?

    We are thinking too big. While we must remain aware and ready for that improbable war with a bigger nation state enemy, we must also be aware of the enemy history is placing before us.
    Last edited by MSgt; 12-18-09 at 12:45 AM.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

  2. #52
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,005

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Are some of you done bitching and moaning without the facts not to mention going off topic? The reason encryption was nonexistent in some cases is because it slows things down. Sometimes you have to act here and now and you have to take some risk.
    All communications lines are to be encrypted. This is doctrine. Encryption does not slow video feeds down to any real noticable point. VTCs between commanders and Generals in the war zone with the Pentagon are encrypted. The video feed from the UAVs seems to have been exempt from this rule since the 90s because tapping into a video feed wouldn't give an enemy time to react anyway. This was an over sight and one made because the decision makers on this lacked imagination. I guarantee that our UAVs will be fitted with encryption in the near future.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

  3. #53
    Sage
    EnigmaO01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Indiana
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 12:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    7,027

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    All communications lines are to be encrypted. This is doctrine. Encryption does not slow video feeds down to any real noticable point. VTCs between commanders and Generals in the war zone with the Pentagon are encrypted. The video feed from the UAVs seems to have been exempt from this rule since the 90s because tapping into a video feed wouldn't give an enemy time to react anyway. This was an over sight and one made because the decision makers on this lacked imagination. I guarantee that our UAVs will be fitted with encryption in the near future.
    The U.S. is apparently responded to these findings by attempting to add encryption to video feeds from drones. However, ready available encryption systems may not be compatible with the proprietary technology used by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc. for communication between the drone and those remotely controlling the aircraft. Furthermore, encryption may slow down the sharing of time-sensitive information.

    Moral Machines: Hacking Drones

  4. #54
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,005

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    haha.


    God forbid the voice of the States get heard over the commanding of the Fed.

    People forget... the North came down here.

    It was not a fight to liberate black people. It was a fight to finally put the Federal government as the sole-ruler of the lands. State's right today is almost an illusion.
    Actually it was. People like to say that slavery was not the main cause of the Civil War. People like to say that the South seceded from the Union in order to preserve states' rights, not slavery. And that Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union, not to end slavery. I have no idea why this has become fashionable but it defies what really happened.

    The difference of labor systems was the point of conflict for the powerful in the North and the powerful in the South. The expanding industry of the North depended on a wage labor system, and the Southern plantation depended on slavery. As both sides eyed the newe territories in Texas and the West, these differences in systems, offerred more than enconomic competition. As the conflict of words intensified, easch system came to stand for a way of life. Slavery meant agriculture, Southern gentility, honor, the traditions and values of past generations of planters. In the North, wage labor meant free labor, free land, free men, opportunity, progress, and industry.

    Politicians and media began the rhetoric work up that led to the Civil War. By the time Lincoln was elected, the West had leaned entirely towards the wage labor concept of the North. This signaled the ultimate loss of that battleground. To Southern plantation owners, it seemed as another blow towards their class and way of life. It all began over economics. If this is true, then what part of slavery are we supposed to pretend had nothing to do with it?

    Now, after the Civil War, the North would go on to prove that freeing slaves had nothing to do with equality. Society went on to fail them for another 100 years. But the Civil War was about the slaves and the economic system they represented.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

  5. #55
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,005

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    The U.S. is apparently responded to these findings by attempting to add encryption to video feeds from drones. However, ready available encryption systems may not be compatible with the proprietary technology used by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc. for communication between the drone and those remotely controlling the aircraft. Furthermore, encryption may slow down the sharing of time-sensitive information.

    Moral Machines: Hacking Drones
    Oh c'mon. What does this tell you? Since the 90s mind you....

    "Ready available encryptian systems may not be compatible" because no one cared to look into it over the past 15 years. Somebody made a decision a long time ago and it has been out of mind ever since. Perhaps if this was a focus of funding something from our Defense Industry may have been made "readily available." I guarantee that now that there is money to be made somebody will create something "readily available." Were Flak Jackets compatible to blocking 7.62 in 2003? Yet, 7.62 has been tearing into the flesh of our soldiers for decades while our cops on the streets are protected from bullet impacts. Like this encryption issue somebody decided a long time ago that anything more was "unnecessary" and that money should be spent elsewhere. Perhaps another 15 F/A-22s to be parked in hangers during two wars.

    "Encryptian may slow down" is excuse making. The military has been encrypting VTC for years and years. You don't unencrypt systems because it may be easier. This defies our doctrine and they need to fix it.
    Last edited by MSgt; 12-18-09 at 01:23 AM.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

  6. #56
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Epic Mountain
    Last Seen
    12-28-09 @ 06:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,384

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    As much as I like winning, I think when we take the honor out of combat (i.e. remote controlled planes) we're asking for bad karma. Plain and simple. But then again, how do you fight a honorless coward if you're playing by the rules? You cheat.

  7. #57
    Count Smackula
    rathi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    10-31-15 @ 10:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,890

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    The U.S. is apparently responded to these findings by attempting to add encryption to video feeds from drones. However, ready available encryption systems may not be compatible with the proprietary technology used by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc. for communication between the drone and those remotely controlling the aircraft. Furthermore, encryption may slow down the sharing of time-sensitive information.
    I love our procurement process. What moron decided to order a system that doesn't inter-operate with our current encryption systems? Vendor lock-in is completely unacceptable for military requirements. Someone is either extremely incompetent or utterly corrupt. An investigation should be launched to figure out which.

  8. #58
    Guru
    Councilman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Riverside, County, CA.
    Last Seen
    11-04-11 @ 10:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,454
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    I say we fix the problem. There must an 8th grader out there someplace that can fix the problem.
    A few years ago my grandson showed me a bunch of electronic parts scattered all over his bedroom floor attached by wires. He said isn't this neat? I said I suppose it might be if I knew what the hell it was. It's my new computer I just finished it, watch he said as he flipped a switch. Sure as shooting a monitor lit up and in seconds he was online. He was 15 at the time. I asked him where he learned to do it He said Uncle Mitch told me.

    I am using one of his Uncles home made PCs right now. Between my Son and Grandson they have built dozens for the family from scratch, My son has a degree in computer technology and my grandson wants one.
    My son explained how easy it would be to encrypt a complete system like the Predator but I didn't understand it all but he said his nephew could most likely do it.

  9. #59
    Professor Charles Martel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    03-21-10 @ 08:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,668

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    I say we don't fix the problem. They want to zoom in on video feeds from a Reaper or Predator....bring it on. A hellfire missile will be your last dip into your popcorn.

    US airstrike kills 3 in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal

    The US killed three Islamist terrorists in the third airstrike n two days in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan.

    The strike, carried out by unmanned Predator or Reaper attack aircraft, hit a Taliban safe house in the Datta Khel region in North Waziristan. Several Hellfire missiles were reported to have been launched in the airstrike.
    Not watching TV, Zuhaib? Didn't have yer little hand held video capture interception toy? Or did you?

    "The US drone missiles hit a house in the mountains," a Pakistani intelligence official told Dawn. "We have reports of three militants killed and five injured. The house was completely destroyed."

    US intelligence officials contacted by The Long War Journal would not comment on the target of the attack.

    The Datta Khel region was the focus of two airstrikes yesterday which killed a senior al Qaeda commander and six fighters, as well as 11 Haqqani Network fighters.

    The al Qaeda commander was identified as Zuhaib al Zahibi. A senior US military intelligence official described Zahibi as "a general officer equivalent" in the Lashkar al Zil, or the Shadow Army.
    Al-Qaeda's Lashkar al Zil is their shadow army, I wonder if the hellfire had a shadow on the way down...

    We're right behind you Barack Obama, I think you're a circus clown, but you are our Commander in Chief. Unchain McChrystal and allow attack dog Stanley to wage this war.

    And Zuhaib...as you obviously won't be needing it anymore, can we have yer lil hand held video capture thing there.....can someone pry it from Zuhibi's fingers there, it looks like a good Santa's sack toy for a good little girl or boy.

    Merry Christmas!
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

  10. #60
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,360

    Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    As much as I like winning, I think when we take the honor out of combat (i.e. remote controlled planes) we're asking for bad karma. Plain and simple. But then again, how do you fight a honorless coward if you're playing by the rules? You cheat.

    IMO, it creates a weak link.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

Page 6 of 8 FirstFirst ... 45678 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •