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Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

Like many, I've never had an issue with going into Iraq for oil. It's been the doctrine of the federal government for at least 30 years if not longer to protect a key national interest in the ME. (See Carter Doctrine) I think we also went in there because of UN resolutions, and because the West was concerned about the "Shia Crescent".

(Page 1 of 21) - Iran's Policy of Regional Influence: Pan-Shiism or Pan-Islamism? authored by Pahlavi, Pierre.

Though this may not be factual, I think it affect US foreign policy over there for years since 1979.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Alright children, knock it off.
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Not likely. Tom Jones as evident in the deficit thread is unable to discuss without relying almost entirely upon personal attacks. I asked him to provide basic statistical evidence and all he did was personally insult me.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Wow are you that Dumb on the subject ??? How much do you know about the Iran-Iraq War huh here are few items for you to go and digest.
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Maybe you should read my entire post before pulling out the insults?

I wasn't aware that during the Iran-Iraq war numerous supertankers were sunk in the narrowest part of the strait.

No response from you. Apparently I'm dumb, but you can't prove this happened.

I wasn't aware that sizable amounts of activity were at the Strait of Hormuz, care to provide evidence of such an occurrence?

I noticed how you ignored how much of the fighting wasn't around the strait and that the majority of shipments actually moved towards ports away from the conflict. Apparently I'm dumb, but you can't prove that my statement is wrong.

I wasn't aware that that during the Iran-Iraq war that either side was actively shooting at supertankers that were flagged by other nations. Care to provide evidence of such an occurrence?
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You are partially correct here, except that you ignore how Iran was attacking ships that were from nations that supported Iraq. You explicitly ignored ships from countries not supporting Iraq.

Shall I go on or ready to admit you have no clue about the subject once again.
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See above. You call me dumb.....but ignore 2/3 of my post. :2wave:
 
Tom Jones said:
LOL - I will probably get another infraction for this - but, whatever - obvious Child, you're an idiot.
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There is little point talking to someone virtually reliant upon personal attacks. That may have worked where you came from, but calling someone an idiot is hardly evidence they are wrong. One must wonder when your ban date will come.
 
Tom Jones said:
Americans are proud people who are smart, and smart people protect their interests.
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Proud yes. Smart not so much at times. ;)

If we're so smart how come we missed Pearl Harbor and 911?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Proud yes. Smart not so much at times. ;)

If we're so smart how come we missed Pearl Harbor and 911?
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Actually there is plenty of evidece that the US leadership was well aware of the inbound Japanse strikeforce that struk pearl harbor on December 7, 1941.

There was a submarine that spotted the carriers from from which the attackers were launched; however, both the sub and the logs of the communication it sent disappeared.

For whatever reason, all of the flattops (carriers) were ordered out of the primary harbor seval hours before the attack occurred. As such, believing that we allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor to occur as a justification for entering WWII is hardly stretch.

As for 911, who knows. That may later be unmasked as a conspiracy as Pearl Harbor was.
 
Tom Jones said:
I'm sorry, you lost me with "Saudia Arabia is much more closed off than Saudi Arabia".

Do you mean another country is more closed off than Saudi Arabia, or Saudi Arabia is more closed of than another country? And closed off from what?

I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say - can you clarify please?
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It was a typo what it meant to read as "Saudia Arabia much more closed off than Iran."
 
Tom Jones said:
LOL - you are out of your cotton picking mind to think that Russia is no longer a strong power in this world - Russia is chock full of very smart and proud people who can turn their country around on a dime - they thought we were not strong when they hit Pearl Harbor - we grew so quick and knocked their snots out of their noses for it so fast it wasn't funny - Russia does not want to be a threat to America no more than America wants to be a threat to Russia - so let's get that straight - we are not a threat to each other - we have never fought each other and we never will.
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There were American forces in Russia during the Russian revolution. Russia is not full of very smart people, proud yes but smart no. Russia cannot pose a single threat to the US except for it's nuke arsenal which Russia would most likely sell to some unstable nation or to terrorists. Why? Because Russians are crooks.
Now let's get this CIA was in on the 9/11 attack out on the table - LOL - you should boil your water before you drink it, or something - they are about to try the people involved in masterminding 9/11 - if the CIA was involved in any way with 9/11 the masterminds of it would never live to tell about it, if you think of the CIA in the terms you do - and I suppose you also believe we went into Iraq for oil, too - LOL
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I don't believe we went to Iraq for oil. It was more of a policy that we would go into Iraq and that the biggest winner there would be Russia. That way Russia can still be the threat to the rest of the world and especially the US. The US is preparing for a war against Russia, it is already set. And yes, the CIA masterminds would live because they will never be identify.
 
Vader said:
Actually there is plenty of evidece that the US leadership was well aware of the inbound Japanse strikeforce that struk pearl harbor on December 7, 1941.

There was a submarine that spotted the carriers from from which the attackers were launched; however, both the sub and the logs of the communication it sent disappeared.

For whatever reason, all of the flattops (carriers) were ordered out of the primary harbor seval hours before the attack occurred. As such, believing that we allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor to occur as a justification for entering WWII is hardly stretch.

As for 911, who knows. That may later be unmasked as a conspiracy as Pearl Harbor was.
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Sorry that's all conjecture. Sounds like another conspiracy theory to me. I don't buy it.

It was just a coincidence the the flattops were out at sea. A very lucky coincidence.

It was nothing more than getting caught with your pants down and higher up arrogant brass refusing to listen to any warnings. I've been in the military. I've see it with my own eyes. Most generals in my opinion are as worthless as a tit on a boar hog. Many have gotten troops killed due to their arrogance or incompetence.
 
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**** The only known spotting of the 6 Japanese carriers and supporting ships was like 5 days before by a Russian cargo ship far north in the Pacific and still West of the Dateline. She was headed to Vladivostok from San Francisco and she was left to proceed home.If it had been closer to Hawaii who knows:confused: The Fleet was under orders to sink without warning Any American,BritishmCanadian or Dutch ship they accidently encountered.

**** As best as can be determined the Russian ship sent out no radio message on what she saw from a considerable distance in daylight and arrived in Vladivostok the day after the attack.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Sorry that's all conjecture. Sounds like another conspiracy theory to me. I don't buy it.

It was just a coincidence the the flattops were out at sea. A very lucky coincidence.

It was nothing more than getting caught with your pants down and higher up arrogant brass refusing to listen to any warnings. I've been in the military. I've see it with my own eyes. Most generals in my opinion are as worthless as a tit on a boar hog. Many have gotten troops killed due to their arrogance or incompetence.
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I disagree. As a sailor, I can tell you in no certain terms that 4 flatops do not leave a harbor without escort under normal cirumstances. The flattops in Pearl left without escourt that day and went traveled a safe distance.

This is NOT normal naval procedure. Flattops do not go unguarded. Which tells me that the brass knew where the enemy was going to be and decided to send the carriers elsewhere.

Historically, we were looking for a way to help the economy and WWII did exactly that. WWII made the US an industrial super power.
 
Vader your wrong when it come's to the US Carriers that left Pearl Harbor and what type of escorts.

The USS Enterprise left Pearl Harbor Nov. 28 1941 with 3 Heavy Cruiser's and 9 Destroyers this made up Task Force Eight under Command of Adm Halsey which head to the West to Patrol in and around Midway and Wake Islands they left Wake on and about Dec. 5 1941 arriving near Hawaii the evening of Dec. 6 1941.

The USS Lexington left Pearl Harbor Dec. 4 1941 with 3 Heavy Cruiser and 5 Destroyers this made up Task Force 12 there orders were to relieve the USS Enterprise and to deliver a squadron of USMC F4F's. Task Force 12 arrive near Midway on the evening of Dec. 6 1941

As for the other Pacific Based Carrier the USS Saratoga it was sitting on the West Coast picking up a new Carrier Air Wing.

If you like we can discuss this more.
 
SE102 said:
Yes, ic.... apparently ze americanz agree with you.
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His thanks was from. "American" the member of this forum.

But you didnt care to read who thanked him..



hi5, for having the joke explained to you.
 
SE102 said:
His thanks was from. "American" the member of this forum.

But you didnt care to read who thanked him..



hi5, for having the joke explained to you.
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So what? You're still a troll. :lol:
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So what? You're still a troll. :lol:
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No see, when someone tells a joke and you call them a troll, that makes you the guy with the stick up his ass. :D Or the chick with sand in her vagina. Whichever you prefer. ;)
 
Scorpion89 said:
Vader your wrong when it come's to the US Carriers that left Pearl Harbor and what type of escorts.

The USS Enterprise left Pearl Harbor Nov. 28 1941 with 3 Heavy Cruiser's and 9 Destroyers this made up Task Force Eight under Command of Adm Halsey which head to the West to Patrol in and around Midway and Wake Islands they left Wake on and about Dec. 5 1941 arriving near Hawaii the evening of Dec. 6 1941.

The USS Lexington left Pearl Harbor Dec. 4 1941 with 3 Heavy Cruiser and 5 Destroyers this made up Task Force 12 there orders were to relieve the USS Enterprise and to deliver a squadron of USMC F4F's. Task Force 12 arrive near Midway on the evening of Dec. 6 1941

As for the other Pacific Based Carrier the USS Saratoga it was sitting on the West Coast picking up a new Carrier Air Wing.

If you like we can discuss this more.
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Correct - And you gotta love the conspiracy theory's lack of information.

The Enterprise and TF-8 were sent to Wake Island to deliver Wildcats to the Marine Fighting Squard there.

The Lexington and TF- 12 was sent to bring Vindicators to the Marine Scout Bombing Squardron on Midway.

The Saratoga had recently completed a scheduled routine maintenace at Pugent Sound Navy Yard in Bremerton, WA. and was arriving at the San Diego Navy Yard for further scheduled routine maitenance. She was to also pick up a new carrier air wing. News of the attack had her head to the scene and she was hit by a Japanese sub's topedo. She then had to head back to the dry docks for repairs in Bremerton.
 
Vader said:
I disagree. As a sailor, I can tell you in no certain terms that 4 flatops do not leave a harbor without escort under normal cirumstances. The flattops in Pearl left without escourt that day and went traveled a safe distance.

This is NOT normal naval procedure.
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It is also not what happened. .
 
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