"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
China's military budget has steadily increased, they are 2nd or 3rd now. This certainly is of concern.
What's also of concern, is the first-strike mentality expressed in this thread, justified with the vague notion of a possible threat to US allies.
Some folks have never heard of International Law but seem to think military intervention is a standard way of reacting to what happens in other parts of the world.
...and then they wonder: "why do they hate us?"
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Do you mean another country is more closed off than Saudi Arabia, or Saudi Arabia is more closed of than another country? And closed off from what?
I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say - can you clarify please?
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[quote=EnigmaO01;1058431583]You think all this started because of the Bush family. This began way before the Bush family. No doubt we meddle in ME politics; however, our being the target of the fundamentalist is more complex then this simple statement. Terrorist shifted to attacking the US and its targets because they knew the USA was soft and a prolonged war would sour in the stomachs of the USA public, e.g. Vietnam, current whining about us attempting to go after OBL, Saddam's prediction that if he fought the US like the VC fought the US the public could not stomach a prolonged war, etc. Also, until recently, we were wimps in punishing those that attacked us.We were obviously lax and in a way brought on 911 by once again by meddling in the Middle East. You can thank the Bush Dynasty for that as they are heavily involved with the Saudi royalty.
Thanks for the spelling lesson. I hope you never misspell a work.BTW it's not Shay it's Shah. And it's not Isreal it's Israel.
Yep, as we supplied weapons to the Shah (check out the spelling), and to those that fought the Soviets all over the world, and to those in WWI and WWII and Korea.Quite the simplification you have there TBone. We are still supplying arms to their ideological foes Israel, and fighting a proxy war is nothing new for us, but oh don't we get enraged when someone else is doing it.
You really think that if we crawl up into a ball and say don't hit me, that they will stop. And, yes we get pissed if they supply terrorist organization with weapons. So, you saying it is okay for the enemies of the US to supply weapons to their allies? War is dirty and has strange bed follows, but you don't enjoy freedom because we gave our enemys flowers. Maybe, if we kicked the **** out of people more they'd be scared to mess with us?You know, all those arms and stinger missiles we supplied to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to kill the Russians, but we are outraged if Iran supplies weapons to insurgents in Iraq? Sounds like double standard to me. Oh wait I'm sorry we are the good guys and have never done anything horrendous to further our idealogy. My bad!
Watch a special that is on Netflix that discusses Nazi Germany's underground network of tunnels to make missiles, jets, etc. The Brits used some ordinance to take them down. You think maybe we have some ordinance left over from the Cold War that can do the same? I think we have the stuff.Just want you to know I have no respect for the Mullahs or the retard they have for a president, and his shooting off of his mouth. And yes eventually Iran will get what is coming to them. But Israel hitting them will only bring out a hornets nest as many of the nuclear facilities are hardened and deep underground. As a former munitions expert I have doubts we even have what it takes to take them out.
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Now let's get this CIA was in on the 9/11 attack out on the table - LOL - you should boil your water before you drink it, or something - they are about to try the people involved in masterminding 9/11 - if the CIA was involved in any way with 9/11 the masterminds of it would never live to tell about it, if you think of the CIA in the terms you do - and I suppose you also believe we went into Iraq for oil, too - LOL
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