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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You may not see it as the same, but I believe that Iran does. They see Israel as a proxy of the West, including the US
    Maybe some do. But the vast majority of the conflict has been around Israel. Iran could hit us if they wanted to via unconventional means and has been able to for decades. It's really not hard to smuggle weapons into the US.

    I wasn't commenting on the last president. That is not the reality of today.
    Indeed, the economics of Iran have changed quite drastically. However, comparing today to back then suggests it's almost entirely posturing. When the economy was good, we didn't hear such statements and even got a peace proposal. When the economy is in the toilet, out comes the threats.
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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You think that is so simple? It is a very time consuming operation, and it is hard to be sure you got all of them.
    Especially when there's a war on. Operating a mine sweeper in water when people are shooting at each other isn't exactly the most efficient operation. Furthermore, who in their right mind is going to sail a supertanker through a war zone?
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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Especially when there's a war on. Operating a mine sweeper in water when people are shooting at each other isn't exactly the most efficient operation. Furthermore, who in their right mind is going to sail a supertanker through a war zone?
    Which makes any potential Iranian threat to close off the Strait of Hormuz completely plausible.
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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Our history of meddling in the internal affairs of other nations, propping up dictators, toppling a government, imposing sanctions and embargoes, supporting Israel, placing US troops on their soil, etc, etc.

    What haven't we done to piss these people off? At some point, some will say enough is enough and strike back.

    It's called blowback and not unexpected. Our problems are the direct result of an interventionist foreign policy.
    I am really so tired of reading garbage like this. Russia has directly controlled, terrorized, murdered far more people, in far more countries, than the US - and lo and behold, no one is blowing up their buildings.

    The chechnyans here and there, but nowhere near what the US faces - so where does that fit in your equation?

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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Ever hear of mines?

    or missiles or submarines? All it would take is the sinking of a few commercial ships.

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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There was a civil government established in post-WW1 Germany, it was called The Weimar Republic. A Liberal Democracy that was too weak to prevent a tyrrant from taking over the government and voiding the 1919 Constitution.

    Look at pre-WW2 Germany and you'll see history repeating itself.
    Yes, I know, and something should have been done to help keep the democracy in power, but they failed to do so - just as Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to be overthrown by Khomeini - hence, my analogy - history always repeats itself - some people are too stupid to understand history in the first place and/or too stupid to understand that it repeats itself.

    Iran must be made to conform to the civilized world before they cause anymore damage - otherwise it should go by way of Nazi Germany - rubble and bad history.
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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    I am really so tired of reading garbage like this. Russia has directly controlled, terrorized, murdered far more people, in far more countries, than the US - and lo and behold, no one is blowing up their buildings.

    The chechnyans here and there, but nowhere near what the US faces - so where does that fit in your equation?
    Garbage? It's the truth. All superpowers meddle and try to control strategic interests. If you call that garbage you failed the class. And Russian has had it's fair shair of bombings and terrorism right there in mother Russia. It's in the news. Where have you been?

    So we're counting bodies and the one with the least bodies is benevolent? Please.

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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Who needs mines? Just sink a few large ships in the strait. One doesn't need to entire close it off, just make it unnavigable for large ships, which really isn't that hard considering just how narrow parts of the strait are and how big some of the oil transports are. And hell they don't even need to attack. Raise the threat level to the point where insurance is not practical and oil prices explode. Raising oil prices to a ultra high point has the same effect as shutting down the strait in terms of hurting us via our reliance on oil.
    The United States Navy excels at clearing a waterway, demolition shreds this unnavigable issue, oil flows freely in days.

    But I do like this reliance on oil, yes, everyone relies on oil, every industrialized nation. Meaining we should probably be drilling here at home...number one...two, Iran relies on oil as well. Her exports cut off, her inability to refine oil(she must import 80% of her gasoline), Iran is done. Toast.

    Let's play some cards and find out what happens.
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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Which makes any potential Iranian threat to close off the Strait of Hormuz completely plausible.
    Correct, and exactly why the 5th Fleet steams Strait up and down the Iranian Hormuz on a daily basis.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Iran Test-Fires Its Longest-Range Missile

    We could all go back to work if they closed the straits.
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