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Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG'

Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Not mine, the Libbos who support this bill. It's in the best interest of Poor Man's Party to create more poor people. Look at all the votes they've created for themselves already. Its an almost
full proof plan.
You need to leave, dude. You obviously hate America.
 
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What about Ben Nelson and Mary Landreau? Are they on board?

The last word I heard is that Ben is, Mary is not. However, that is irrelevant, neither has indicated like LIEberman that they would support the fillibuster.
The Democrats do not need their votes to pass the bill.
The reason the LIEberman is such a douche is that not only has he gone against all of his principles and do a complete 180 degree turn (LIE)....he won't even vote to allow it to go to a vote. The guy is a Dweeb. Connecticut should be embarrassed by the man.
 
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That money went to pay for her vote to bring the bill to debate. She said that she wasn't going to vote for it, if it made it past debate.

That merely means that, as is usual, the whore has to be paid separately for the second ride. She's already established what she is, all that's required is negotion on the price.
 
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Establish medical savings accounts where the INDIVIDUAL freely CHOOSES to contribute his own before-tax dollars into interest bearing accounts.
How will that provide every person with access to affordable quality health care?
 
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Explain why you believe destroying the nation's health care industry AND the nation's economy with one bill should be ignored.
I will wager that my monthly water bill is higher than the amount of money you presently have in a health savings account.
 
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You don't.

People who don't have the skills to get the jobs that pay them the money they need for SuperMedicalCoverEverything Insurance don't get that.

Welcome to the consequences of freedom. People are responsible for themselves, and those that fail in that get sick and die. Frankly, they're not my problem so there's no reason I should be required to support them. But you have every freedom in this free society to help them using your own money. You should try that sometime, when you grow up and get a job of your own.

I'll wager that you're a security guard.
 
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Doing it right:

Establish medical savings accounts where the INDIVIDUAL freely CHOOSES to contribute his own before-tax dollars into interest bearing accounts from which he can withdraw funds for medical expenses without penalty, and which the INDIVIDUAL retains full control of. This fund is added to each year and by the time the person starts falling apart in middle age he has his own personal fund of hundreds of thousands of dollars to fix his body with at no expense to the taxpayers at all.

Naturally, the wise individual will purchase catastrophic coverage and that sort of thing, but its his body, his choice, right?

No reason whatsoever for the government to pretend it's got an obligation to provide health coverage for anyone, because it doesn't.

That's how it would be done in a free society. Naturally you people are opposed to freedom, but what else is new?

The collective approach to the problem of universal access to affordable quality health care would work better than the individualistic approach. They proved it in France where they spend half what we do per person on health care and still have a system that is better than ours.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- "We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp[/ame]
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Show me where the bills give the government total control of health care.

Show me where the Constitution allows the federal government to spend one single dime on health care.
 
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The collective approach to the problem of universal access to affordable quality health care would work better than the individualistic approach.

Of course it won't.

Socialism has never work, never can work, and never will work, no matter how many times insane people keep trying the same old thing over and over and over again.

Also, it's completely immoral and totally unamerican to force people to support programs they don't like.
 
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I will wager that my monthly water bill is higher than the amount of money you presently have in a health savings account.

I don't personally care how much water you make.

You asked for the ideal situation, it was illustrated for you.
 
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Of course it won't.

Socialism has never work, never can work, and never will work, no matter how many times insane people keep trying the same old thing over and over and over again.

Also, it's completely immoral and totally unamerican to force people to support programs they don't like.

Sometimes, the collective approach is the best way to go, bro.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Show me the rules of interpretation you want me to use.

The Tenth Amendment was written in English, so use the English language when reading the whole Constitution.


Oh, wait, the Tenth Amendment says the federal government simply DOES NOT have the authority to spend money on health care.

Too bad for you guys, you done lost.
 
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How much do you want to wager and who's going to hold the money?

Everything I own, and since I'm not a security guard, I'll just hold the money myself.

You just lost, so pay up.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

so how about it liberals? Should Congressional demo's "kill the bill"?


j-mac


Do you have any opinions on what Dean said or are you just baiting--trying to stir the pot?

Do you even know what Dean said and why he said it?
 
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I think Dean is very brave for going against his party here.

Do you have any opinions on what Dean said or are you just baiting--trying to stir the pot?

Do you even know what Dean said and why he said it?

He just posted the story and asked a question about it. Nothing he did implied that he was trying to "stir the pot".
 
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the dems should be listening to the dean camp on this issue:
Senate leaders are all over Washington claiming they finally have a healthcare reform bill they can pass, as long as they remove the public option. After all, they say that even without a public option, the bill still "covers" 30 million more Americans.

What they are actually talking about is something called the “individual mandate." That’s a section of the law that requires every single American buy health insurance or break the law and face penalties and fines. So, the bill doesn’t actually “cover” 30 million more Americans — instead it makes them criminals if they don’t buy insurance from the same companies that got us into this mess.
Dean: I won’t “vigorously” support Obama’s re-election | Raw Story
 
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Mitch McConnell summed up this puke of a bill quite nicely. The Democrats actually plan to hold a vote in the next week on a bill no one has yet seen.

Completely Reckless, Completely Irresponsible
from the Office of Senator Mitch McConnell

Thursday, December 17, 2009


‘And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen. That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private’

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell made the following remarks on the Senate floor Thursday regarding the importance of getting it right on health care reform:

“Senators on both sides acknowledge that the health care bill we’re considering is among the most significant pieces of legislation any of us will ever consider.

“So it stands to reason that we’d devote significant time and attention to it.

“Indeed, some would argue that we should spend more time and attention on this bill than most — if not every — previous bill we’ve considered.

“The Majority disagrees.

“Why? Because this bill has become a political nightmare for them.

“They know Americans overwhelmingly oppose it, so they want to get it over with.

“Americans are already outraged at the fact that Democrat leaders took their eyes off the ball. Rushing the process on a partisan line makes the situation even worse.

“Americans were told the purpose of reform was to reduce the cost of health care.

“Instead, Democrat leaders produced a $2.5 trillion, 2,074-page monstrosity that vastly expands government, raises taxes, raises premiums, and wrecks Medicare.

“And they want to rush this bill through by Christmas — one of the most significant, far-reaching pieces of legislation in U.S. history. They want to rush it.

“And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen.

“That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private.

“That’s what they intend to bring to the floor and force a vote on before Christmas.

“So this entire process is essentially a charade.

“But let’s just compare the process so far with previous legislation for some perspective. Here’s a snapshot of what we’ve done and where we stand:

• The Majority Leader intends to bring this debate to a close as early as this weekend — four days from now, on this $2.5 trillion dollar mistake

• No American who hasn’t been invited into the Majority Leader’s conference room knows what will be in that bill

• This bill has been the pending business of the Senate since the last week of November — less than four weeks ago.

• We started the amendment process two weeks ago.

• We’ve had 21 amendments and motions — less than two a day.

“Now let’s look at how the Senate has dealt with previous legislation.

“No Child Left Behind (2001):

• 21 session days or 7 weeks.

• Roll Call votes: 44

• Number of Amendments offered: 157

“9/11 Commission/Homeland Security Act (2002):

• 19 session days over 7 weeks.

• Roll Call votes: 20

• Number of Amendments offered: 30

“Energy Bill (2002):

• 21 session days over 8 weeks

• Number of Roll Call votes: 36

• Number of Amendments offered: 158

“This isn’t an energy bill. This is an attempt by a majority to take over one sixth of the U.S. economy — to vastly expand the reach and the role of government into the health care decisions of every single American — and they want to be done after one substantive amendment. This is absolutely inexcusable.

“I think Senator Snowe put it best on Tuesday:

‘Given the enormity and complexity,’ she said, ‘I don’t see anything magical about the Christmas deadline if this bill is going to become law in 2014.’

“And I think Senator Snowe’s comments on a lack of bipartisanship at the outset of this debate are also right on point.

“Here’s what she said in late November:

‘I am truly disappointed we are commencing our historic debate on one of the most significant and pressing domestic issues of our time with a process that has forestalled our ability to arrive at broader agreement on some of the most crucial elements of health care reform. The bottom line is, the most consequential health care legislation in the history of our country and the reordering of $33 trillion in health care spending over the coming decade shouldn’t be determined by one vote-margin strategies – surely we can and must do better.’

“The only conceivable justification for rushing this bill is the overwhelming opposition of the American people. Democrats know that the longer Americans see this bill the less they like it. Here’s the latest from Pew. It came out just yesterday.

“A majority (58 percent) of those who have heard a lot about the bills oppose them while only 32 percent favor them.”

“There is no justification for this blind rush — except a political one, and that’s not good enough for the American people.

“And there’s no justification for forcing the Senate to vote on a bill none of us has seen.

“Americans already oppose this bill. The process is just as bad.

“It’s completely reckless, completely irresponsible.”
 
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