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Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG'

Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

disneydude said:
Over 70% of Americans want a public option...which is why they are opposed this this POS.
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Substantiate this lie with published poll results.

disneydude said:
The Democrats would be idiots to pass this bill.
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The Democrats are idiots regardless.

They're criminal idiots if they pass any health care legislation.

disneydude said:
Let it fail and Americans will understand why we have no Healthcare reform
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Yes, it will be because the Democrats tried HillaryCare II and even the Messiah couldn't make it happen.

disneydude said:
and understand why people like Joe LIEberman need to be voted out and replaced with real progressive Democrats.
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you mean real socialists, since "progress" is defined as moving towards increased freedom and prosperity, not away, and hence there's no such thing as a "progressive" Democrat.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Whip Comes Down said:
Have you actually read the watered down nebulous bill?
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Your own party hasn't read the thing. How could I have?
 
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Erod said:
What a load of crap, but keep telling yourself that. The reason your party is running from the public option is that they know it is political suicide.

"Over 70 pecent of Americans" want jobs for the unemployed. They want the deficit down, and the economy fixed. They don't want government controlling 1/6th of the economy and eliminating even more decent-paying jobs.
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The PARTY isn't running from the Public Option. In fact the public option would pass if it weren't for idiots like Lieberman who will join a filibuster by the "party of no".

What is political suicide is passing the POS that exists now. Let it fail and the public will understand who are the obstructionists that are preventing real reform that America wants.
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
I'll take that you mean you can't explain why your idea is better than mine.
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Sure I can. My idea will cost 90% less and won't mean new taxes to stifle growth in the private sector.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

disneydude said:
The PARTY isn't running from the Public Option. In fact the public option would pass if it weren't for idiots like Lieberman who will join a filibuster by the "party of no".
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What? There were more senators than Lieberman opposing it when the public option was in there, not to mention funded abortion.

You got closer to consensus by watering it down.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

disneydude said:
The PARTY isn't running from the Public Option. In fact the public option would pass if it weren't for idiots like Lieberman who will join a filibuster by the "party of no".

What is political suicide is passing the POS that exists now. Let it fail and the public will understand who are the obstructionists that are preventing real reform that America wants.
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Don't the Democrats have a fillibuster proof majority?
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Whip Comes Down said:
Dude, the American people are overwhelming in support of health care reform in general and a public option in particular.
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Dude, no they're not.

They're Americans, not retards.
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
It's obvious that your goal is the total destruction of the middle class.
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Not mine, the Libbos who support this bill. It's in the best interest of Poor Man's Party to create more poor people. Look at all the votes they've created for themselves already. Its an almost
full proof plan.
 
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disneydude said:
Not without LIEberman.
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What about the 30 odd Dems that are opposed to this?
 
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apdst said:
What about the 30 odd Dems that are opposed to this?
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Are you talking about the Senate or the House? There aren't 30 Democrats in the Senate opposed the the public option or medicare expansion. There very well could be 30 opposed to this POS.
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
I'll take that to mean you have no idea what doing health care reform right looks like.
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Doing it right:

Establish medical savings accounts where the INDIVIDUAL freely CHOOSES to contribute his own before-tax dollars into interest bearing accounts from which he can withdraw funds for medical expenses without penalty, and which the INDIVIDUAL retains full control of. This fund is added to each year and by the time the person starts falling apart in middle age he has his own personal fund of hundreds of thousands of dollars to fix his body with at no expense to the taxpayers at all.

Naturally, the wise individual will purchase catastrophic coverage and that sort of thing, but its his body, his choice, right?

No reason whatsoever for the government to pretend it's got an obligation to provide health coverage for anyone, because it doesn't.

That's how it would be done in a free society. Naturally you people are opposed to freedom, but what else is new?
 
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Whip Comes Down said:
Explain why you believe only one of the problems with our health care system should be addressed.
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Explain why you believe destroying the nation's health care industry AND the nation's economy with one bill should be ignored.
 
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j-mac said:
I am not saying only one problem should be addressed. But could we possibly address one at a time, so that we can know and understand what is being done?


j-mac
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That's what they're doing.

The Democrats have convinced themselves that the problem is that their government hasn't ruined enough lives, and this bill is going to correct this.
 
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apdst said:
Let's see a poll showing an overwhelming support for a public option. Thanks in advance.
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Yeah, they keep lying about this imaginary support. I wonder if they believe the lie themselves?
 
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disneydude said:
Are you talking about the Senate or the House? There aren't 30 Democrats in the Senate opposed the the public option or medicare expansion. There very well could be 30 opposed to this POS.
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What about Ben Nelson and Mary Landreau? Are they on board?
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Whip Comes Down said:
How would you go about providing every person with access to affordable quality health care.
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You don't.

People who don't have the skills to get the jobs that pay them the money they need for SuperMedicalCoverEverything Insurance don't get that.

Welcome to the consequences of freedom. People are responsible for themselves, and those that fail in that get sick and die. Frankly, they're not my problem so there's no reason I should be required to support them. But you have every freedom in this free society to help them using your own money. You should try that sometime, when you grow up and get a job of your own.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yeah, they keep lying about this imaginary support. I wonder if they believe the lie themselves?
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Well, they believe that there's, "overwhelming", public support for the bill. What's that tell ya?
 
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apdst said:
What about Ben Nelson and Mary Landreau? Are they on board?
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Landrieu sold her vote for $300,000,000.

She should be impeached, of course, as well as who ever made the offer.
 
Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Landrieu sold her vote for $300,000,000.

She should be impeached, of course, as well as who ever made the offer.
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That money went to pay for her vote to bring the bill to debate. She said that she wasn't going to vote for it, if it made it past debate.
 
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