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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

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    Clearly defined by the example of Pharma coming aboard. Why can't we know the back room deal? I thought demo's wanted, and promised openness, and transparency?


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    HAHAHAHAHAHA. I can't believe anyone bought into that lie. Like government is going to be more transparent. Ron Paul is trying to get a bill through that would increase the transparency of the Fed and you see all the bitching, moaning, and crying going on about just that (makes you wonder what exactly the Fed is doing with our money). Imagine if there was something to open up the backroom deals to us. Of course they don't want it know, I'm pretty damned sure that if we all knew exactly what those politicians were doing, we'd be setting up a Congress lynch mob right now.
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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

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    My basis for disputing your claim is that you can not possibly know what is in the hearts of ALL Americans concerning this.
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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If the bill is going to completely make over the entirety of our system, and taxes levied start immediately, but the change doesn't, shouldn't we get it right?


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    What does "right" mean?

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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

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    What does "right" mean?
    ..correct.
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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHA. I can't believe anyone bought into that lie. Like government is going to be more transparent. Ron Paul is trying to get a bill through that would increase the transparency of the Fed and you see all the bitching, moaning, and crying going on about just that (makes you wonder what exactly the Fed is doing with our money). Imagine if there was something to open up the backroom deals to us. Of course they don't want it know, I'm pretty damned sure that if we all knew exactly what those politicians were doing, we'd be setting up a Congress lynch mob right now.

    Didn't Paul's bill clear the house?


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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course it is. I've said from the beginning that anything our current government comes up for in terms of healthcare will be nothing more than a play to the insurance companies. People who think the government is somehow still beholden to us need to wake up. The Democrats aren't going to do anything which benefits us on the whole if it doesn't first benefit the uber rich and huge corporations which feed it. Neither will the Republicans. The quicker people understand this, the quicker we can get to work trying to change it.
    I second those emotions. I say we deprive corporations of their bogus "person hood", like the founders wanted.
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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Didn't Paul's bill clear the house?


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    Yeah, that one made it through the house. Gotta see how far the bill goes. I want it passed, I want to audit the Fed and have those books opened to the People. That's our god damned money, we should know what the snakes in the central bank are doing with it.
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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Dude, the American people are overwhelming in support of health care reform in general and a public option in particular.
    You'll find very few people that support the current way the health care system is but that doesnt mean everyone wants to be taken care of by the Federal Government.
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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Dude, I'm the guy who killed Superman.

    Good one!


    What does "right" mean?

    Well, to me 'right' means something that doesn't take over and change the entirety of the system, while lowering costs, without degrading our care, and doing this in a bill that is understood by the laypeople reading it. NOT some cumbersome 2000 page + monstrosity that delves into "social justice" and "redistribution" taking away freedom.


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    Re: Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, that one made it through the house. Gotta see how far the bill goes. I want it passed, I want to audit the Fed and have those books opened to the People. That's our god damned money, we should know what the snakes in the central bank are doing with it.

    I am with you, and Dr. Paul 100% on this.


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