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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

I don't even see any sense in arguing Jerry's views. They are the type of erratic, irrational views a person holds when they realize the rational solution to a problem is something they personally abhor so they come up with the most insane, far fetched solution so that they can reject it on purely ideological grounds and feel justified in doing so.
 
I don't even see any sense in arguing Jerry's views. They are the type of erratic, irrational views a person holds when they realize the rational solution to a problem is something they personally abhor so they come up with the most insane, far fetched solution so that they can reject it on purely ideological grounds and feel justified in doing so.
Well, you have to start with the basics of his premise; the purpose of marriage is to have children. Period. Now if a gay couple marry and have children already or intend to have them and raise them then would Jerry support marriage equality?
 
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Well, you have to start with the basics of his premise; the purpose of marriage is to have children. Period. Now if a gay couple marry and have children already or intend to have them and raise them then would Jerry support marriage equality?

Actually, based on his arguments, two brothers could get married and he would support it. He has said as much. He is at least consistent.
 
You do Jerry. You state that unless a couple wants to have children they have no business marrying.

Where did I say having the children was the only reason to marry, though?

You have to have flower to make a cake, but that's by far not the only ingredient.
 
Here's what you said:

Categorically, childless couples have absolutely no business getting married.

Right, and no where in that do I say that having children is the only reason to marry. There are many secondary reasons, but without the primary reason no one has any business marrying.
 
Right, and no where in that do I say that having children is the only reason to marry. There are many secondary reasons, but without the primary reason no one has any business marrying.

Bottom line. Without the primary reason for marrying, and that is to have children, no couple should marry, according to your line of reasoning, Jerry.

So that would make divorce impossible if there are children?
 
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Bottom line. Without the primary reason for marrying, and that is to have children, no couple should marry, according to your line of reasoning, Jerry.

Right, but that's not...

Well, you have to start with the basics of his premise; the purpose of marriage is to have children. Period. Now if a gay couple marry and have children already or intend to have them and raise them then would Jerry support marriage equality?
 
Right, and no where in that do I say that having children is the only reason to marry. There are many secondary reasons, but without the primary reason no one has any business marrying.

ONLY means "one and only" not just "primary."

You believe that couples should not marry unless they will have children. No childless couples should marry. That is your view. No?

So the millions of older couples who married after menopause have no business being married, huh? Your widowed grandmother, or perhaps even mother, should be banned from marrying if she's no longer fertile, right?
 
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ONLY means "one and only" not just "primary."

You believe that couples should not marry unless they will have children. No childless couples should marry. That is your view. No?

Right, but nowhere did I say having children was the one and only reason to marry. There are many reasons to marry, but as all those other reasons serve the family, creating/maintaining the family is the primary reason to marry. No family, no business getting married.
 
As long as a gay couple has children or intends to have children, you're ok with them marrying.

Gay individuals might already have children too, so he should support them marrying to solidify the family unit.

Or maybe, just maybe, he hasn't thought this stuff through and is just spewing half-baked opinions.

I wonder which it is.
 
Right, but nowhere did I say having children was the one and only reason to marry. There are many reasons to marry, bt as all those other reasons serve the family, creating/maintaining the family is the primary reason to marry. No family, no reason to marry.

Newsflash: Gays and lesbians have children.
 
Gay individuals might already have children too, so he should support them marrying to solidify the family unit.

Or maybe, just maybe, he hasn't thought this stuff through and is just spewing half-baked opinions.

I wonder which it is.

Time will tell. It's the Jerry show.
 
As long as a gay couple has children or intends to have children, you're ok with them marrying.

I would be a strong champion for those gay couples.

I want to support gay-marriage, which is why I asked for data on gays raising children.
 
Right, but nowhere did I say having children was the one and only reason to marry. There are many reasons to marry, but as all those other reasons serve the family, creating/maintaining the family is the primary reason to marry. No family, no business getting married.

Just come out and say it - you think couples who won't have children should not marry. Right?
 
I would be a strong champion for those gay couples.

I want to support gay-marriage, which is why I asked for data on gays raising children.

So you'd be for gay couples marrying with kids, but not grandma?

As for data on gays raising children, they do. That's all the data you need. Whether they make good parents is another issue - funny how you've never asked for data on how good hetero parents are.
 
I would be a strong champion for those gay couples.

I want to support gay-marriage, which is why I asked for data on gays raising children.

And the gays and lesbians who don't have children, you would be a strong advocate against them being able to civilly marry?
 
Great, let's get only those couples married while not marrying all the childless couples of any sexual orientation.

Sure Jerry. Whatever you say...:2wave: You're at war with childless married couples?
 
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Great, let's get only those couples married while not marrying all the childless couples of any sexual orientation.

Okay, so you oppose marriage by the childless, even the hetero childless.

So why aren't you out there proposing laws to ban the infertile from marrying? Would there be a fertility test for a marriage license? You'd have to pledge to have kids? What if you change your mind, is the marriage annulled?
 
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