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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

Jerry said:
Posting my personal tax information is a violation of forum rules :2wave:
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I didn't ask you to do that. I asked you how you know you're still paying it, not what it is. You asked the question. How can you possibly know you're paying more taxes than you would if you were single? Did you run the scenario on your computer?
 
misterman said:
I didn't ask you to do that. I asked you how you know you're still paying it, not what it is. You asked the question. How can you possibly know you're paying more taxes than you would if you were single? Did you run the scenario on your computer?
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Jerry isn't married any more.
 
Jerry said:
Right, and those couples should simply stop trying to get marriage; it doesn't apply to the kind of relationship they enjoy.
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Rrrrrright. If you say so.

It changes what marriage is for, from raising children to free association.
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Um...no fault divorce and the liberalization of women to leave home to work did that all the way back in the 60s. Marriage hasn't been primarily about procreation and child rearing for 4 decades now. Please explain how same sex marriage could affect to any degree the institution of marriage the way those two movements did.

Gays do not need marriage to freely associate as that's not a right marriage addresses in any way.
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Gays are not looking or marriage for free association. They are looking for it for the commitment and the health, emtional, and financial benefits they would enjoy by having it.

Possibly, but the point of being on a debate forum is to demonstrate how.
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Very well. I'll hold you to your own standard. Demonstrate how same sex marriage would do any more to make marriage an institution of personal happiness than no fault divorce and the liberalization of women did.
 
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It's great the DC City Council voted to legalize gay marriage. State by state city by city--eventually marriage equality will be the law of the land.
 
Redress said:
Would you say the same for strait couples?
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I have already on this thread and several times just this month, and I would again.

Categorically, childless couples have absolutely no business getting married.

Redress said:
Proof that marriage is legally only for children?
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By the time I could post the relevant portions of Troxil, Skinner and Loving here, this thread will have passed the 100 page mark and be closed. Let's wait for the next round to expect in-depth sources, shall we?
 
Jerry said:
I have already on this thread and several times just this month, and I would again.

Categorically, childless couples have absolutely no business getting married.


By the time I could post the relevant portions of Troxil, Skinner and Loving here, this thread will have passed the 100 page mark and be closed. Let's wait for the next round to expect in-depth sources, shall we?
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Put up your legal sources for why civilly married couples are required to bear children, please.
 
CriticalThought said:
Gays are not looking or marriage for free association. They are looking for it for the commitment and the health, emtional, and financial benefits they would enjoy by having it.
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That's free association :lol:
 
Jerry said:
I have already on this thread and several times just this month, and I would again.

Categorically, childless couples have absolutely no business getting married.
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So why aren't you out there crusading for post-menopausal women to be banned from marrying?

Do you have a widowed grandmother who remarried? Does she know you think she shouldn't allowed to?
 
Jerry said:
Categorically, childless couples have absolutely no business getting married.
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Lets say that due to some tragic accident a women loses the ability to have a child. Does that mean she shouldn't be allowed to get married?
 
Just so it is clear how insane Jerry's official position is...

He supports the termination of marriage rights to any couple, heterosexual or homosexual, who is not having or raising children. He would not allow any couple, heterosexual or homosexual, to get married unless they were going to have or raise children. He sees no point, despite the health, emotional, and financial benefits to societal stability, for people being married if they are not in the process of having or raising children. To Jerry, the only purpose to marriage is children, and even if it would cause great detriment to society as we know it, he would advocate policy which would make marriage only about children.

Did I get any of that wrong Jerry?
 
CriticalThought said:
Just so it is clear how insane Jerry's official position is...

He supports the termination of marriage rights to any couple, heterosexual or homosexual, who is not having or raising children. He would not allow any couple, heterosexual or homosexual, to get married unless they were going to have or raise children. He sees no point, despite the health, emotional, and financial benefits to societal stability, for people being married if they are not in the process of having or raising children. To Jerry, the only purpose to marriage is children, and even if it would cause great detriment to society as we know it, he would advocate policy which would make marriage only about children.

Did I get any of that wrong Jerry?
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If true, that is insane.

Someday he may find himself in such a situation.
 
Jerry said:
I'm not the one claiming SCOTUS ruled on the purpose of marriage.
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You most certainly do claim the purpose of marriage. I want to see laws in that regard.
 
misterman said:
So why aren't you out there crusading for post-menopausal women to be banned from marrying?
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....'cuz no one started a thread on it?

misterman said:
Do you have a widowed grandmother who remarried? Does she know you think she shouldn't allowed to?
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I don't, but I don't see why she shouldn't. That would be a child-rearing couple, imo.
 
Jerry said:
I have already on this thread and several times just this month, and I would again.

Categorically, childless couples have absolutely no business getting married.
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Marriage will never be changed like that, so the point is moot.



By the time I could post the relevant portions of Troxil, Skinner and Loving here, this thread will have passed the 100 page mark and be closed. Let's wait for the next round to expect in-depth sources, shall we?
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I got time, prove your point. That is how debate works.
 
Redress said:
Marriage will never be changed like that, so the point is moot.
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I never thought marriage would be changed to mean anything other than to form and maintain the family, but look where we are. I learned to stop thinking your way after that.

Redress said:
I got time, prove your point. That is how debate works.
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You may, but I don't :2wave:
 
Jerry said:
I never thought marriage would be changed to mean anything other than to form and maintain the family, but look where we are. I learned to stop thinking your way after that.



You may, but I don't :2wave:
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What does your wife think of your views?
 
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