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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

texmaster said:
There are many actions taken by humans throughout the centuries that have no basis in being natural. Cannibalism, human sacrifice, etc. All of these are actions throughout recorded history but to claim its natural without evidence makes for a very weak argument.

Is it natural in prison for men to be with men as well or simply a lack of options?

The point is it cannot be proven to be natural. Heterosexual activity and heterosexual behavior can and have.
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You're not using science at all. This is what happens when people who don't understand science pretend to use it to prove their points.

Anything in any creature that is caused by any genetic code is, in fact, natural. Murder is, in fact, natural. Addiction is natural. All sorts of things that, on their surface, make no sense - are in fact, natural.

Mutations are natural, it's how species adapt and change and survive.

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Proof that in nature, increases in population density increase homosexual activity. Is it an adaptation for the purposes of population control? That's a theory. We don't know the "why", but we know it happens. This is but one of many studies that prove that homosexuality occurs across many species and there are natural causes for it.

Thus, it is natural - not just in human beings, but in nearly all species.

You sir - are wrong. Purely and plainly wrong. Just because we don't know "why" something happens, doesn't mean it doesn't occur naturally.

You need to go back to some sciencey-type classes. Since you seem to be wanting to teach everyone the basics of sex, perhaps you should take some basics in science and research.

You understand what a theory is in scientific terms, yes? Then you understand that theories are interpretation of facts.

Well, here's a fact: homosexual behavior occurs in nature, across many species. One theory - it is an adaptation to control population when population density increases.

So - again, we are postulating the "why"; but it is established fact that it is a natural phenomenon. To argue otherwise is to demonstrate a lack of basic knowledge of science and (here's the tricky part that a lot of conservatives seem to have problems with) FACTS.
 
So do any of you actually want to discuss the Legal and Political ramifaction's of this little tirade by the DC City Council or shall you all just go on and on about nothing that has to do with the topic.

You do understand what the City Council is doing could come back and haunt not only the City Council itself but it could put Mr. Obama and Congress into a very interesting Legal Position. And this is nothing compare to what te Citz. of either Maryland or Virgina decide to do if they push to have it put to a public vote. Ah the DC quite the political problem when they decide to go against the grain.
 
Scorpion89 said:
So do any of you actually want to discuss the Legal and Political ramifaction's of this little tirade by the DC City Council or shall you all just go on and on about nothing that has to do with the topic.

You do understand what the City Council is doing could come back and haunt not only the City Council itself but it could put Mr. Obama and Congress into a very interesting Legal Position. And this is nothing compare to what te Citz. of either Maryland or Virgina decide to do if they push to have it put to a public vote. Ah the DC quite the political problem when they decide to go against the grain.
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Calm down, take a deep breath, and then make a coherent point. There is no indication the DC city council acted in anything other than a legal manor, nor that they acted improperly in any way. Please explain what exactly you think the DC City Council did wrong.
 
Redress said:
Calm down, take a deep breath, and then make a coherent point. There is no indication the DC city council acted in anything other than a legal manor, nor that they acted improperly in any way. Please explain what exactly you think the DC City Council did wrong.
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How much do you know about how DC is ran before I start going into the reason why this is going to cause all sorts of problems for Mr. Obama and Congress.

I'm not trying to be an arse redress i'm just trying to see were I need to start.
 
Scorpion89 said:
How much do you know about how DC is ran before I start going into the reason why this is going to cause all sorts of problems for Mr. Obama and Congress.

I'm not trying to be an arse redress i'm just trying to see were I need to start.
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Don't treat me as stupid. Lay out your argument, I can handle it.
 
Redress said:
Don't treat me as stupid. Lay out your argument, I can handle it.
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Ok,

First off after the DC Council decide to pass any law the US Congress must sign off on it, hence with the City Council passing this law 11-2 it needs to get approval from Congress to be made law. While I agree that their is more then enough votes for it to be passed, is this a fight that Congress and Mr. Obama really wants right now.

Conserative Democrat and Main Stream Republicans in Congress have already started to make some noise that they will fight this law when it come's time for Congress to vote on it.

Then their is the two States that the District is part of Maryland and Virgina both have said nothing publicly but it has been reported in Maryland that if it does go into Law then you will see what happen in Maine a puplic drive to put it to a vote by the People of Maryland which most likely would force Virgina to do the same thing.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Ok,

First off after the DC Council decide to pass any law the US Congress must sign off on it, hence with the City Council passing this law 11-2 it needs to get approval from Congress to be made law. While I agree that their is more then enough votes for it to be passed, is this a fight that Congress and Mr. Obama really wants right now.

Conserative Democrat and Main Stream Republicans in Congress have already started to make some noise that they will fight this law when it come's time for Congress to vote on it.

Then their is the two States that the District is part of Maryland and Virgina both have said nothing publicly but it has been reported in Maryland that if it does go into Law then you will see what happen in Maine a puplic drive to put it to a vote by the People of Maryland which most likely would force Virgina to do the same thing.
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DC is a part of Maryland and Virginia now? Or are you talking about setting precedents...
 
Scorpion89 said:
Ok,

First off after the DC Council decide to pass any law the US Congress must sign off on it, hence with the City Council passing this law 11-2 it needs to get approval from Congress to be made law. While I agree that their is more then enough votes for it to be passed, is this a fight that Congress and Mr. Obama really wants right now.

Conserative Democrat and Main Stream Republicans in Congress have already started to make some noise that they will fight this law when it come's time for Congress to vote on it.

Then their is the two States that the District is part of Maryland and Virgina both have said nothing publicly but it has been reported in Maryland that if it does go into Law then you will see what happen in Maine a puplic drive to put it to a vote by the People of Maryland which most likely would force Virgina to do the same thing.
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There will probably not be much of a fight in congress, it will most likely slide through relatively quietly. Right now you have a few in congress saying what they need to to please their constituents, but as you point out, it's pretty clear that the votes are there, so it's just noisemaking.

Maryland and Virginia are irrelevant. DC is not a part of either.
 
EpicDude86 said:
DC is a part of Maryland and Virginia now? Or are you talking about setting precedents...
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That got me too. I always thought that D.C. was separated from the states in the Constitution and ultimate control of it was in the hands of Congress. What do Virginia and Maryland have to do with anything?
 
Hatuey said:
That got me too. I always thought that D.C. was separated from the states in the Constitution and ultimate control of it was in the hands of Congress. What do Virginia and Maryland have to do with anything?
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Really then someone needs to tell them that allof the Tax Money they send to DC needs to be given back.

Also the Virgina and Maryland State police need to be told they have no Legal Say in the District either and that they should stop patroling in DC also.
 
Redress said:
There will probably not be much of a fight in congress, it will most likely slide through relatively quietly. Right now you have a few in congress saying what they need to to please their constituents, but as you point out, it's pretty clear that the votes are there, so it's just noisemaking.
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Don't under estimated the type of fight this will cause. The same thing was aid about Maine and Calf. and look what happen their.

Their are a quite a number of High Ranking republican who wouldn't mind more then to turn this into a real battle and force Mr. Obama and the Democrats into a fight they really don't want. Plus don't forget Congress is the one's who okay the Districts budget and while congress might have the Vote to over turn anything the Republicans might try they don't have the means to stop a real big fight on the Floor.

All it will take is a few Republican stepping up and introducing a bill to stop the District Funding over this law.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Don't under estimated the type of fight this will cause. The same thing was aid about Maine and Calf. and look what happen their.

Their are a quite a number of High Ranking republican who wouldn't mind more then to turn this into a real battle and force Mr. Obama and the Democrats into a fight they really don't want. Plus don't forget Congress is the one's who okay the Districts budget and while congress might have the Vote to over turn anything the Republicans might try they don't have the means to stop a real big fight on the Floor.

All it will take is a few Republican stepping up and introducing a bill to stop the District Funding over this law.
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Which won't happen, at least not effectively. I don't see such a bill ever getting out of committee, and being used against anyone who proposed it. Having control of congress gives some extraordinary power which the democrats have not used effectively. However, in this case, it would be trivial to block such a measure.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Really then someone needs to tell them that allof the Tax Money they send to DC needs to be given back.

Also the Virgina and Maryland State police need to be told they have no Legal Say in the District either and that they should stop patroling in DC also.
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Why am I not surprised you have nothing to add then your usual authoritarian posts that are devoid of any serious knowledge? Here. Considering I have time today to smack you around a little why don't you look up Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Tell me what it says. Okay? Wait. I'll do that for you :

Powers of Congress said:
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;—And
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And what do Virginia and Maryland law enforcement have to do with policing D.C.? D.C. has it's own police force? Metropolitan police.
 
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by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government
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I wonder what that means...
 
Hatuey said:
Yeah I don't understand what they meant by 'particular' either.
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Of course, we are arguing the law with this guy.
Scorpion89 said:
Well since it seems allot of you need to go back and read what our very first President stated about Bowing. Since that time no US President has Bowed to a So-Called Royal Head of State pre the orders of our very first President.

What Mr. Obama did was an act of Treason and he should be charged with Treason but no one in Congress Rep. or Dem. has the Gutts to stand up and call him on it.
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Scorpion89 said:
Don't under estimated the type of fight this will cause. The same thing was aid about Maine and Calf. and look what happen their.

Their are a quite a number of High Ranking republican who wouldn't mind more then to turn this into a real battle and force Mr. Obama and the Democrats into a fight they really don't want. Plus don't forget Congress is the one's who okay the Districts budget and while congress might have the Vote to over turn anything the Republicans might try they don't have the means to stop a real big fight on the Floor.

All it will take is a few Republican stepping up and introducing a bill to stop the District Funding over this law.
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What District Funding is going to be leveraged against this law? It isn't a budget issue. What extra budgeting is going to be required to carry out this law?

I don't see it. I don't see a real big fight over this either.
 
Hatuey said:
Why am I not surprised you have nothing to add then your usual authoritarian posts that are devoid of any serious knowledge? Here. Considering I have time today to smack you around a little why don't you look up Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Tell me what it says. Okay? Wait. I'll do that for you :



And what do Virginia and Maryland law enforcement have to do with policing D.C.? D.C. has it's own police force? Metropolitan police.
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Okay then what does the folks from DC Drivers and ID Card say hmmm think about before you make a post.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Okay then what does the folks from DC Drivers and ID Card say hmmm think about before you make a post.
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You were saying?
 
And just to stop you before your start with the "what about the ID"...

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jallman said:
What District Funding is going to be leveraged against this law? It isn't a budget issue. What extra budgeting is going to be required to carry out this law?

I don't see it. I don't see a real big fight over this either.
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How about there City Budget to start with oh and you don't see a battle over this really I take it you understand this fight very well. The far Right Republicans in Congress will make this into a Fight they will force this onto the Floor for a vote. This is going to be a fight and I wouldn't be surprised to see this become a National Item after the first of the year.
 
jallman said:
And just to stop you before your start with the "what about the ID"...

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Hmm really so were is Georgetown Located, and Arlington, they are both with-in the District but are both with in two different states which issue there IDs.
 
Scorpion89 said:
How about there City Budget to start with oh
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How about you demonstrate where this could be a budget fight and how this bill relates to the budget?

and you don't see a battle over this really I take it you understand this fight very well.
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Well enlightend us. You've yet to demonstrate how this can become a fight.

The far Right Republicans in Congress will make this into a Fight they will force this onto the Floor for a vote. This is going to be a fight and I wouldn't be surprised to see this become a National Item after the first of the year.
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Anything like a statement from a congressman to back this up?
 
jallman said:
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You were saying?
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That is if you live with-in the actual District Blocks my girlfriend lives in Georgetown and her's is issued by the State of Maryland.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Hmm really so were is Georgetown Located, and Arlington, they are both with-in the District but are both with in two different states which issue there IDs.
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Georgetown and Arlington are both part of Virginia, if I'm not mistaken. I know Arlington is. Georgetown, I am pretty sure about, too.

Edit: Georgetown is definitely in Maryland.
 
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