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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

winston53660 said:
I think I will plan a trip for the way back from LA to Dallas.
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It energizes the soul to be out away from all the stress of city life. Although I think I would find a desert a little difficult, too. LOL
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I agree. This IS the heart of the matter. Marriage is recognized by the state because it has been shown to produce a healthier and more stable society. Folks who are married live longer, report being happier, tend to be more stable in their jobs and in societal endeavors. Most importantly, they are most adept at rearing children and provide the most stable of environments. Evidence of this is across the board...regardless of sexual orientation. All of this benefits society, and by proxy, the government and country. A more stable, happier populace creates a more stable, happier society. Ultimately, by using the family/societal benefits defense, which I always present, this is a simple debate to win. There is no valid counterpoint, other than eliminating marriage, altogether. Unfortunately, too many pro-GMs are bent on the "rights" position, a loser position because it always gets bogged down in semantics.
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I wish more pro-gm would listen to that argument.
 
Charles Martel,

Sorry but I'm going to have to agree with others here. You don't know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

But since you claim you do then explain it to us. What are the differences between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

(I'm actually surprised no one asked him to do this yet)
 
Hey CC, could you pm me some links and what ever else you have for your arguement? It'd be an interesting read. :)
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I call it nonsense because it is. Sorry you don't see it.
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I see you calling it nonsense, you haven't addressed my argument.

Then...nothing. THAT's what you don't understand. If I am right handed and then write left-handed one day, I am not magically left handed.
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Your colossal misunderstanding once again exposed, you're now making analogies of child conception to being left handed. You're in fact so wrong here, you're blinded by your own error. It's that huge.

No they are not.
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Oh...yes they are. Any behavior whether sexual, predatory, unethical, normal, abnormal, or circus like pales in comparison to the behavior engaged upon when the child was conceived. No person or persons you'll ever be with will ever be as critical, as important, as real. You are now the parent of a child. Either a mother or a child. That is your primary responsibility now, that human being is now YOUR child. Conceived in the ultimate heterosexual behavior, there is NOTHING....I repeat so you can understand your colossal error, Captain.....NOTHING remotely close to homosexual can reproduce, it cannot procreate, it is selfish pleasure, it is behavior, is isn't human sexuality. If you cannot see this clearly, I cannot help you to understand. It's right there in front of your mirror each morning, your denial of the truth and reality quite obvious.

Nope. Not what I said. Very poor debating. A child is not evidence of heterosexuality. Sorry, but as usual, you are wrong.
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Every member arguing here. Every single person you know. Every single person you've EVER known....was produced from heterosexual behavior.....sorry, it's a fact. If you know someone who was born of artificial insemination, then it's artificial...the human body is clearly designed for heterosexual behavior, the human orgasm...including the woman's...primary purpose is procreation...not your behavioral pleasures. And when I say "you" here Captain, I am not speaking AT you. I am making a manking argument, I would hope that clear. I'm enjoying the banter-filled debate, not trying to start a fight.

Nope. You STILL don't understand the difference between behavior and orientation. I actually believe that you refuse to listen because you know that your position has been destroyed. But please continue. It is always interesting watching someone dig themselves into their denial, deeper and deeper...as you are doing.
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Your actual beliefs here are the problem, Captain. You're so wrong...you are compounding colossal error after misunderstanding after having no idea. Let's agree to disagree.

And...the smoke over that horizon there is the remains of your argument after having being shot down in flames like a world war one Spad. I pray you can be more successful with someone else less educated on this matter. I have yet to hear a coherent argument from you, let's move on, shall we?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I'm "The Greatest". You're Foreman.
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Great fight, still stands..to me..as one of the greatest athletic feats of all time. Foreman an absolute monster, not only had no one ever knowcked him down, no one had ever knocked him backwards. Ali at 32, Foreman was a mere 24 years old. Heavier than Ali, obviously a viscious puncher and watch Ali of you ever see the fight again on one of these classic boxing stations. He comes right out and attacks Foreman before going into his now famous 'rope a dope' tactic. Comes right out and punches him square in the face, I was like....woa.

The fact that Foreman on his back reminds me of your argument.....a fish out of water, flopping around repeating itself and making no sense whatsoever..is irrelevant.:)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Charles Martel,

Sorry but I'm going to have to agree with others here. You don't know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.
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It's a free country Kal, you're free to be as wrong as anyone.:2razz:

But since you claim you do then explain it to us. What are the differences between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.
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The differences here between orientation and behavior aren't the issue. My argument here is you are designed to procreate. Everyone knows this. It is so obvious, it isn;t an argument. Our human sexuality...isn't limited to behavior...in fact, behavior is but a fraction of our human sexuality. THe greater protion of our human sexuality....that is primary and precedence over behavior..occurs after the orgasm. Conception, pregnancy, child birth...it is ALL very much our human sexuality. The argument you agree to....and thus making you wrong here....is that behavior...by choice..to have sex with a member of the same gender, defines your orientation and sexuality. And you may argue that until the cows come home.

However, once you've engaged in becoming a parent....you've now defined yourself, there is nothing whatsoever homosexual about becomong a parent, and that is your primary reality...like it or not. One may enjoy same gender sex, may prefer to act out in a number of ways. The fact that the individual is a parent is the primary definition, sorry.

There isn't anything homosexual about procreation. Homosexuality in fact stops at behavior, it is nothing else. The lack of any homosexual behavior would NOT affect mankind in any negative way, shape, or form. Except decrease AIDS contractions especially here in the US where men having sex with men dominates our AIDS stats.

Colossal errors aren't restricted, Kal, feel free to be wrong. Most others here are.:cool:
 
Kal'Stang said:
But since you claim you do then explain it to us. What are the differences between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

(I'm actually surprised no one asked him to do this yet)
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Because he initially attempted to explain and just **** out some crazy idea. We don't need to have our brain stems twisted anymore trying to understand his logic. :lol:
 
Charles Martel said:
I see you calling it nonsense, you haven't addressed my argument.



Your colossal misunderstanding once again exposed, you're now making analogies of child conception to being left handed. You're in fact so wrong here, you're blinded by your own error. It's that huge.



Oh...yes they are. Any behavior whether sexual, predatory, unethical, normal, abnormal, or circus like pales in comparison to the behavior engaged upon when the child was conceived. No person or persons you'll ever be with will ever be as critical, as important, as real. You are now the parent of a child. Either a mother or a child. That is your primary responsibility now, that human being is now YOUR child. Conceived in the ultimate heterosexual behavior, there is NOTHING....I repeat so you can understand your colossal error, Captain.....NOTHING remotely close to homosexual can reproduce, it cannot procreate, it is selfish pleasure, it is behavior, is isn't human sexuality. If you cannot see this clearly, I cannot help you to understand. It's right there in front of your mirror each morning, your denial of the truth and reality quite obvious.



Every member arguing here. Every single person you know. Every single person you've EVER known....was produced from heterosexual behavior.....sorry, it's a fact. If you know someone who was born of artificial insemination, then it's artificial...the human body is clearly designed for heterosexual behavior, the human orgasm...including the woman's...primary purpose is procreation...not your behavioral pleasures. And when I say "you" here Captain, I am not speaking AT you. I am making a manking argument, I would hope that clear. I'm enjoying the banter-filled debate, not trying to start a fight.



Your actual beliefs here are the problem, Captain. You're so wrong...you are compounding colossal error after misunderstanding after having no idea. Let's agree to disagree.

And...the smoke over that horizon there is the remains of your argument after having being shot down in flames like a world war one Spad. I pray you can be more successful with someone else less educated on this matter. I have yet to hear a coherent argument from you, let's move on, shall we?
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Charles Martel said:
Great fight, still stands..to me..as one of the greatest athletic feats of all time. Foreman an absolute monster, not only had no one ever knowcked him down, no one had ever knocked him backwards. Ali at 32, Foreman was a mere 24 years old. Heavier than Ali, obviously a viscious puncher and watch Ali of you ever see the fight again on one of these classic boxing stations. He comes right out and attacks Foreman before going into his now famous 'rope a dope' tactic. Comes right out and punches him square in the face, I was like....woa.

The fact that Foreman on his back reminds me of your argument.....a fish out of water, flopping around repeating itself and making no sense whatsoever..is irrelevant.:)
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Charles Martel said:
It's a free country Kal, you're free to be as wrong as anyone.:2razz:



The differences here between orientation and behavior aren't the issue. My argument here is you are designed to procreate. Everyone knows this. It is so obvious, it isn;t an argument. Our human sexuality...isn't limited to behavior...in fact, behavior is but a fraction of our human sexuality. THe greater protion of our human sexuality....that is primary and precedence over behavior..occurs after the orgasm. Conception, pregnancy, child birth...it is ALL very much our human sexuality. The argument you agree to....and thus making you wrong here....is that behavior...by choice..to have sex with a member of the same gender, defines your orientation and sexuality. And you may argue that until the cows come home.

However, once you've engaged in becoming a parent....you've now defined yourself, there is nothing whatsoever homosexual about becomong a parent, and that is your primary reality...like it or not. One may enjoy same gender sex, may prefer to act out in a number of ways. The fact that the individual is a parent is the primary definition, sorry.

There isn't anything homosexual about procreation. Homosexuality in fact stops at behavior, it is nothing else. The lack of any homosexual behavior would NOT affect mankind in any negative way, shape, or form. Except decrease AIDS contractions especially here in the US where men having sex with men dominates our AIDS stats.

Colossal errors aren't restricted, Kal, feel free to be wrong. Most others here are.:cool:
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Shall we count how many times this has been explained to him? His refusal to acknowledge it is, to me, deliberate, since it destroys his argument.
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I don't understand your explanation of the difference between orientation and act.


From Merriam-Webster, I hope that's not too gay for you CC:

Orientation

1 a : the act or process of orienting or of being oriented b : the state of being oriented; broadly : arrangement, alignment

2 a : a usually general or lasting direction of thought, inclination, or interest b : a person's self-identification as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual <sexual orientation>
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Cilogy said:
I don't understand your explanation of the difference between orientation and act.


From Merriam-Webster, I hope that's not too gay for you CC:
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I rarely find that the standard dictionary definition is applicable when discussing profession or industry specific jargon and academic terminology.
 
Cilogy said:
I don't understand your explanation of the difference between orientation and act.


From Merriam-Webster, I hope that's not too gay for you CC:
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A heterosexual male, while oriented hetero, may partake in homosexuality. Doesn't make him "homosexual" only that he partook in a Homosexual act.


RIDICULOUS ANALOGY TIME! (Only because I cbf to draw a VENN DIAGRAM):

Let's say your orientation is to hate Jews (A common Neo-Nazi act). Does that make you a Neo-Nazi? No, it makes you an anti-Semite. Not all Anti-Semites are Neo-Nazis.

So, let's then say you like a guy to jiggle your junk, does that make a heterosexual you into a homosexual? No. (Balls aren't touching, etc.)

On the political scale, If everyone was defined by their actions and not by their orientation, there'd be very few true liberals and conservatives and we'd all be labeled as Centrists. :lol:

Crappy analogy, over. :lol:

Cap I'm sorry if I confused things further, is how I roll.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Now apply that to heterosexuality. It's a two way street.
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Sorry it doesn't because heterosexual sex is the key to the procreation of the species so of course its natural.
 
EpicDude86 said:
A heterosexual male, while oriented hetero, may partake in homosexuality. Doesn't make him "homosexual" only that he partook in a Homosexual act.
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Ok, I completely agree with that.

jallman said:
I rarely find that the standard dictionary definition is applicable when discussing profession or industry specific jargon and academic terminology.
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Then we should all go based on opinion?
 
texmaster said:
Sorry it doesn't because heterosexual sex is the key to the procreation of the species so of course its natural.
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Except when barren people have sex, sex with condoms, or *shudder* elderly sex.

Your argument falls flat in the face of reality.
 
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