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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't see gays bothering to put children in the public eye with them, is my point. The appearance that gives is that child-rearing is peripheral to them, when it should be their main focus for marriage.
    So because gays and lesbians are not using children as a political tool to fight for equal rights which would be beneficial to children, they don't deserve marriage?

    Thank you I would like a little time to look this over
    Glad to help.

    No no no it has nothing to do with what I believe but with what any average person can observe by looking at SCOTUS rulings and history of the thing.
    I'm not aware of any Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage.

    The elderly and infertile can raise children, and if they choose to, they should have access to marriage, but if they never have and do not ever intent to, then they shouldn't have access to marriage.
    Why? There are a number of health, emotion, and financial benefits to marriage that improve societal stability. I can provide a wealth of social scientific evidence to back that up if you want. Why do you have a personal belief that marriage should only be about procreation and child rearing? Are you an open advocate for removing marriage rights from those who are not having or raising children? Or do you simply hold this position so that you can be against gay marriage while never actually acting against heterosexual marriages that have nothing to do with procreation or child rearing?
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It's tax funded when it's from a government job.
    God Forbid someone who puts 20 to 40+ years, in some cases, of their life into a ****ty or dangerous Government job gets something out of it.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Uh no, childless married couples have to pay more taxes because their incomes are combined and they have no dependents.

    Only when one parent gives up their income to take care of a few dependents do married couples pay less than single folks, because then you have one income supporting yourself and your spouse and your dependents instead of only yourself.

    I single person with 3 dependents pays about the same taxes as a married single-income couple with 2 children.
    Depends on the income of the married couple and how they file. At no time does a married couple have to pay more(they can file separately, but they can frequently pay less.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So because gays and lesbians are not using children as a political tool to fight for equal rights which would be beneficial to children, they don't deserve marriage?
    If children are the focus then yes children need to be at the forefront of the issue so that their plight can be seen by everyone and the problem accurately understood.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm not aware of any Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage.
    Neither am I, but neither of us were referring to SCOTUS rulings on the purpose of gay-marriage. I was referring to the purpose of marriage per-se and you reflected an understanding of that when you quoted me...so idk where SCOTUS rulings on gay-marriage come into the discussion...


    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why? There are a number of health, emotion, and financial benefits to marriage that improve societal stability.
    They all exist so as to provide children a stable home, which in turn creates more stability. Enjoyment of secondary benefits meant to reinforce the primary, when the primary purpose is absent, is not a reason to redefine marriage to now be about enjoying those secondary benefits. You gut the thing when you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are you an open advocate for removing marriage rights from those who are not having or raising children?
    I've clearly stated my support for exactly that many times on this thread.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    According to a report given to the Office of the General Counsel of the U.S. General Accounting Office, here are a few of the 1,138 benefits the United States government provides to legally married couples:


    Access to Military Stores
    Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
    Bereavement Leave
    Immigration
    Insurance Breaks
    Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
    Social Security Survivor Benefits
    Sick Leave to Care for Partner
    Tax Breaks
    Veteran’s Discounts
    Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison

    Here are a few of the state level benefits within the United States:


    Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
    Automatic Inheritance
    Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
    Bereavement Leave
    Burial Determination
    Child Custody
    Crime Victim’s Recovery Benefits
    Divorce Protections
    Domestic Violence Protection
    Exemption from Property Tax on Partner’s Death
    Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
    Insurance Breaks
    Joint Adoption and Foster Care
    Joint Bankruptcy
    Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
    Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
    Certain Property Rights
    Reduced Rate Memberships
    Sick Leave to Care for Partner
    Visitation of Partner’s Children
    Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
    Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
    Marriage Benefits

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Depends on the income of the married couple and how they file. At no time does a married couple have to pay more(they can file separately, but they can frequently pay less.
    It depends on a whole hell of a lot...I mean, it's the frig'n tax code....kindly allow me some latitude not to have to be extremely precise I'm not Allen Greenspan.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    Neither am I, but neither of us were referring to SCOTUS rulings on the purpose of gay-marriage. I was referring to the purpose of marriage per-se and you reflected an understanding of that when you quoted me...so idk where SCOTUS rulings on gay-marriage come into the discussion...
    SCOTUS has ruled on the purpose of marriage?
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It depends on a whole hell of a lot...I mean, it's the frig'n tax code....kindly allow me some latitude not to have to be extremely precise I'm not Allen Greenspan.
    Most people pay less tax by being married. Your imprecision made you 100 % wrong.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    According to a report given to the Office of the General Counsel of the U.S. General Accounting Office, here are a few of the 1,138 benefits the United States government provides to legally married couples:


    Access to Military Stores
    Assumption of Spouseís Pension
    Bereavement Leave
    Immigration
    Insurance Breaks
    Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
    Social Security Survivor Benefits
    Sick Leave to Care for Partner
    Tax Breaks
    Veteranís Discounts
    Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison

    Here are a few of the state level benefits within the United States:


    Assumption of Spouseís Pension
    Automatic Inheritance
    Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
    Bereavement Leave
    Burial Determination
    Child Custody
    Crime Victimís Recovery Benefits
    Divorce Protections
    Domestic Violence Protection
    Exemption from Property Tax on Partnerís Death
    Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
    Insurance Breaks
    Joint Adoption and Foster Care
    Joint Bankruptcy
    Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
    Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
    Certain Property Rights
    Reduced Rate Memberships
    Sick Leave to Care for Partner
    Visitation of Partnerís Children
    Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
    Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
    Marriage Benefits
    Please link to the exact law for each of those benefits.

    ...and btw, Visitation of Partner in Hospital is a myth. That has nothing to do with law but of hospital policy. Anyone know if Inferno's (God rest her soul) partner was denied access while she passed?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Please link to the exact law for each of those benefits.

    ...and btw, Visitation of Partner in Hospital is a myth. That has nothing to do with law but of hospital policy. Anyone know if Inferno's (God rest her soul) partner was denied access while she passed?
    Here ya go: 75 pages worth
    http://gaylife.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi...97/og97016.pdf
    Last edited by windovervocalcords; 12-22-09 at 06:34 PM.

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