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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Which means those who aren't married have to pay more taxes.

    Name the last time the govt cut taxes and then decreased the budget?
    No they pay the same taxes, but they get a refund for having to put up with children. The Government is not without compassion.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If that's true, then unless gays are raising children, gay 'marriage will force the government to rais taxes. I mean Obama'Care is bad enough, but once he gets his amnesty bill going after it and includes illegals in Obama'care, all these gays now getting tax brakes when they don't even have children are only going to further exacerbate the problem.

    And of course Obama is going to raise taxes in response, which history proves will only decrees federal income, further disabling our government's ability to pay it's mounting bills which it shouldn't have made in the first place...so he'll borrow his way through another election, but where does that leave us in years to come? Up ****-creek without a paddle.
    There is more to tax breaks than just the children vs no children aspect. Surviving spouses still collect their spouse's pension and when that pension involves government jobs, taxpayers have to fund it.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't see many children in those pride parades or picket lines.
    Was that you being snide or an honest thought? I would never bring a child to such a parade as there tends to be a lot of sexual gratuity at them. I also think a picket line is a dangerous place for a child. So do you make assumptions about how many children all groups have by how many children they have in their protest lines?

    In more sober threads I've asked this board for actual numbers, but it's been 3-4 years now....still no data.
    According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway, between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in gay and lesbian families.

    Adoption by Gay and Lesbian Families

    More readable version...

    Gay and Lesbian Adoptive Parents

    Will that work?

    Some token gay couple is not sufficient to establish an exemption for all of them. I needs to be the majority or marriage needs to be re-worked so that anyone raising children (even if they are related) can marry.
    Just because you believe that marriage should be purely an institution of procreation and child rearing does not mean that is its only purpose. Do you believe that people who are too old to have children should be denied the right to marry? Should infertile couples be denied the right to marry? Do you not see any benefits to society for allowing couples to marry besides the benefits to children?

    Gays raising children is a problem this country needs to correct, but the modern gay 'marriage movement is not the answer.
    Why not? Why are gays and lesbians not entitled to the same marriage rights and benefits that any elderly or infertile heterosexual couple can enjoy?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    No they pay the same taxes, but they get a refund for having to put up with children. The Government is not without compassion.
    That so-called refund is calculated into the overall taxes collected, which means other groups will be paying more in order to make up the difference.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    That so-called refund is calculated into the overall taxes collected, which means other groups will be paying more in order to make up the difference.
    Got the Tax Code to back that up?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    There is more to tax breaks than just the children vs no children aspect. Surviving spouses still collect their spouse's pension and when that pension involves government jobs, taxpayers have to fund it.
    Pension is not a tax brake.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Pension is not a tax brake.
    It's tax funded when it's from a government job.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Got the Tax Code to back that up?
    No........

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Was that you being snide or an honest thought? I would never bring a child to such a parade as there tends to be a lot of sexual gratuity at them. I also think a picket line is a dangerous place for a child. So do you make assumptions about how many children all groups have by how many children they have in their protest lines?
    I don't see gays bothering to put children in the public eye with them, is my point. The appearance that gives is that child-rearing is peripheral to them, when it should be their main focus for marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway, between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in gay and lesbian families.

    Adoption by Gay and Lesbian Families

    More readable version...

    Gay and Lesbian Adoptive Parents

    Will that work?
    Thank you I would like a little time to look this over

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Just because you believe that marriage should be purely an institution of procreation and child rearing does not mean that is its only purpose. Do you believe that people who are too old to have children should be denied the right to marry? Should infertile couples be denied the right to marry? Do you not see any benefits to society for allowing couples to marry besides the benefits to children?
    No no no it has nothing to do with what I believe but with what any average person can observe by looking at SCOTUS rulings and history of the thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why not? Why are gays and lesbians not entitled to the same marriage rights and benefits that any elderly or infertile heterosexual couple can enjoy?
    The elderly and infertile can raise children, and if they choose to, they should have access to marriage, but if they never have and do not ever intent to, then they shouldn't have access to marriage.

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    And yes once married they should be allowed to stay married even after the children move out. Let's not go there.

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    No the marriage should not be abolished if the child dies.

    Let's see what other stupid questions from gay-marriage threads past can I recall being asked...
    Last edited by Jerry; 12-22-09 at 06:15 PM.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It's tax funded when it's from a government job.
    So? It's not a tax brake. If you want your unmarried lover to have it, will it to them. It's that simple. You don't need to give any constitutional rights in the process.

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