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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There are 1,138 federal rights guaranteed to married opposite sex couple but not to same sex couples that seek marriage.
    All of those rights regard supporting a child-rearing home.

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    How many rights are same sex couples giving up?
    I just told you, so if you're already not paying attention then this conversation was over before it began.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Who says they get your tax money in the first place? I mean there's a marriage penalty on taxes, so far from getting your money, you might be getting theirs. Even regarding dependent status, that's the couple getting more of their own money back, not getting your money.

    Most of the laws regarding marriage regard property transfer and legal authority and responsibility of said children, so 99% of the time your tax money isn't even an issue at all.
    Spouses get Social Security survivor benefits and assumption of their spouse's pension. That's tax dollars.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    All of those rights regard supporting a child-rearing home.
    Oh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rights and Benefits While Married
    o employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
    o per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
    o Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
    o sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
    * Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
    o veteran's disability
    o Supplemental Security Income
    o disability payments for federal employees
    o medicaid
    o property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
    o income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
    o wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
    * Joint and family-related rights:
    o joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
    o joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
    o family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
    o next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
    o custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
    o domestic violence intervention
    o access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
    * Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
    * Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
    * Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
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    * Right of survivorship of custodial trust
    * Right to change surname upon marriage
    * Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
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    o additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
    o $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
    o continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
    o renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
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    I just told you, so if you're already not paying attention then this conversation was over before it began.
    I'm not sure I understand your point.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    They get tax breaks which means that check they're getting, is essentially their own money back.
    Which means those who aren't married have to pay more taxes.

    Name the last time the govt cut taxes and then decreased the budget?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh?
    Yup.

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    I'm not sure I understand your point.
    In the immortal words of his Honor, the Warden teacher, the man you aren't, can't, and never will be: "read all the words"...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's only THE reason the state has any business poking it's nose in your relationships in the first place.

    Frankly I don't understand why childless gays are lining up to surrender their right to privacy to Big-Bro when there is no reason for the state to do so.

    I mean they say it's about rights, but what they're doing is surrendering rights. It makes no sense.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Which means those who aren't married have to pay more taxes.
    Uh no, childless married couples have to pay more taxes because their incomes are combined and they have no dependents.

    Only when one parent gives up their income to take care of a few dependents do married couples pay less than single folks, because then you have one income supporting yourself and your spouse and your dependents instead of only yourself.

    I single person with 3 dependents pays about the same taxes as a married single-income couple with 2 children.
    Last edited by Jerry; 12-22-09 at 05:05 PM.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Uh no, childless married couples have to pay more taxes because their incomes are combined and they have no dependents.

    Only when one parent gives up their income to take care of a few dependents do married couples pay less than single folks.
    The govt needs a set amount of taxes to fund the budget. So whenever it gives tax breaks to one group, it has to charge another group higher taxes to make up the difference.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The govt needs a set amount of taxes to fund the budget. So whenever it gives tax breaks to one group, it has to charge another group higher taxes to make up the difference.
    If that's true, then unless gays are raising children, gay 'marriage will force the government to rais taxes. I mean Obama'Care is bad enough, but once he gets his amnesty bill going after it and includes illegals in Obama'care, all these gays now getting tax brakes when they don't even have children are only going to further exacerbate the problem.

    And of course Obama is going to raise taxes in response, which history proves will only decrees federal income, further disabling our government's ability to pay it's mounting bills which it shouldn't have made in the first place...so he'll borrow his way through another election, but where does that leave us in years to come? Up ****-creek without a paddle.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Why do you assume that gays don't have children?

    Some gays have children from previous relationships and others adopt or use surrogacy.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why do you assume that gays don't have children?
    I don't see many children in those pride parades or picket lines.

    In more sober threads I've asked this board for actual numbers, but it's been 3-4 years now....still no data.

    Some token gay couple is not sufficient to establish an exemption for all of them. I needs to be the majority or marriage needs to be re-worked so that anyone raising children (even if they are related/interracial/underage/same-sex/etc) can marry.

    Gays raising children is a problem this country needs to correct, but the modern gay 'marriage movement is not the answer. The state has no interest in relationships not raising children, so keep your right to privacy.

    Likewise, medical care does need reform, but Obama'Care is not the right answer, but I digress.
    Last edited by Jerry; 12-22-09 at 05:30 PM.

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