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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Please put in bold the portion of your post he is addressing:
    And child rearing should be done without tax subsidized marriages. The focus of this debate should be to eliminate government sanctioned marriage. Once that's done, marriage will be open to all.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    And child rearing should be done without tax subsidized marriages. The focus of this debate should be to eliminate government sanctioned marriage. Once that's done, marriage will be open to all.
    Marriage is already "open to all" in that sense. We don't need to eliminate government sanctioned marriage for that to occur. The people lobbying for gay marriage want the benefits that come with public marriage, not the pot of empty that comes with your "marriage open for all."

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Marriage is already "open to all" in that sense. "
    It is most certainly not. Marriage as we know it today is a state recognized contract between two individuals. For this contract to be recognized the parties must meet the traditionalist standard. It is clearly not open to all. And any attempt to say it is falls in the same illogical lineage of the example that I gave. What do you not understand yet? A man can say he is privately married to another man but as far as society is concerned, he is not. You do not receive any of the same guarantees, benefits etc. as people who are legally married and recognized by the state.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Marriage is already "open to all" in that sense. We don't need to eliminate government sanctioned marriage for that to occur. The people lobbying for gay marriage want the benefits that come with public marriage, not the pot of empty that comes with your "marriage open for all."
    Huh?

    Is marriage open to all or not?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I know, I was just commenting to you on Taylor's position...whatever that may be.

    I'm so glad I will be somewhere without internet by tonight. That was 5 pages of you trying the wrangle Taylor into committing to a position, Taylor just mindlessly bickering with everyone who entered the thread, and texmaster ocassionally cheerleading Taylor's mindless bickering.

    *sigh*

    I'm pretty patient. I haven't read the thread since noon, but as of then, she was still squirming. No matter. At some point either she will understand this debate or she won't.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    And child rearing should be done without tax subsidized marriages. The focus of this debate should be to eliminate government sanctioned marriage. Once that's done, marriage will be open to all.
    And though I disagree with you, this is the only viable, logical counter to my position.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    How about addressing what I wrote. "Nope" doesn't do much for the debate.
    I did. Not my problem if you don't agree and keep throwing your hands up saying the same thing...inaccurate as it is.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Wrong. It's in the best interest of the state that procreation occurs within marriage.
    Absolutely NOT. But since you said it...prove it.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, the above conclusion does not logically follow.
    If this is true, then explain why the state would not sanction gay marriage.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You seem to missing what's being said. CR stated that if we get government out of marriage (i.e. no public marriage), then it will be available to all (i.e. private marriage). My point is that marriage is already "available to all" in that sense - if CR wants private marriage, we've already got it.

    1. If we abolish public marriage, then private marriages will be available to all (CR)

    2. Private marriages are already available to all (Me)

    3: Interracial marriage was once not recognized as a public marriage (You)

    Can you see now that your point really didn't address the issue?
    You're the one who has it wrong. I said government sanctioned marriage. Understand what that entails and how it violates the 14th Amendment.

    Hatuey's point exactly addresses this issue.

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