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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Ah....absent a mother, yes, that should work out twice as good, you're right.

    In fact, I think we should just remove the mother from the home with the same %'s we do the father and look at the results. I mean...we already have a prison system where the number one common denominator they share is no father living in the home. Fathers..or lack of have a serious influence on who daughters take for husbands, mothers play an equally vital role.

    Pretending like you people do strengthens my argument to the objective reader, I hope you know that.
    But Charlie...if they have kids, they aren't even homos anymore, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I know. He's rambling and blathering on about single parent homes and here we all thought we were talking about gay marriages.

    But I guess to him sticking to the topic...well that's just ca-ca-ca-Crazy. One might even call it..."poppycock".
    You're speaking to same sex marriage, not gay marriage, millions of 'gays' are married to opposite gender husbands or wives and have children. 'Gay' people get married everyday in this nation, same sex marriage is what the issue is, I hate to correct your every sentence but you keep making colossal errors. J.

    And you're specifically speaking to removing either the male father or female mother from the home when speaking to same sex marriage and that has been proiven to be an absolute disaster and should never be seen as the equal to one father and one mother in a nuclear family. And I'm sorry about that.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But Charlie...if they have kids, they aren't even homos anymore, remember?
    They probably never were. They merely enjoyed sexual behavior with members of the same sex. Reason I put 'gay' in quote, many people are seriously confused. But, once you engage ion fatherhood or motherhood, you are not gay. Sorry.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    They probably never were. They merely enjoyed sexual behavior with members of the same sex. Reason I put 'gay' in quote, many people are seriously confused. But, once you engage ion fatherhood or motherhood, you are not gay. Sorry.
    Yes, Charlie...that should definitely convince your "objective readers".

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Some interesting reading: http://www.law.ucla.edu/williamsinst...tionReport.pdf

    Key findings

    • More than one in three lesbians have given birth and one in six gay men have fathered or adopted a child.
    • More than half of gay men and 41 percent of lesbians want to have a child.
    • An estimated two million GLB people are interested in adopting.
    • An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.
    • More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.
    • Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.
    • Same-sex couples raising adopted children are older, more educated, and have more economic resources than other adoptive parents.
    • Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.
    • An estimated 14,100 foster children are living with lesbian or gay parents.
    • Gay and lesbian parents are raising three percent of foster children in the United States.
    • A national ban on GLB foster care could cost from $87 to $130 million.
    • Costs to individual states could range from $100,000 to $27 million.
    Studies show that the frequency of moves between placements is associated with several harmful outcomes for children. Most of these studies cannot control for the possibility that causation runs in both directions, e.g. that the child’s behavioral or other problems caused the instability in placements. However, researchers generally believe that children’s problems are both a cause and a consequence of instability (Harden, 2004).

    Conversely, stability of placements is associated with positive outcomes for children:
    • A review of studies conducted from 1960-1990 showed that having fewer placements was associated with better school achievement, less criminal activity, more social support, increased life satisfaction, greater housing stability, better self-support, better caring for one’s own children (McDonald, Allen, Westerfelt, Piliavin, 1993).
    • Stability of relationships is generally important for children’s development (Harden, 2004).
    Looks to me like gay marriage could be highly beneficial to society.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    And child rearing should be done without tax subsidized marriages. The focus of this debate should be to eliminate government sanctioned marriage. Once that's done, marriage will be open to all.
    Marriage is already "open to all" in that sense, is it not? The government isn't "banning" gay marriage so much as ignoring it by not recognizing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Marriage is already "open to all" in that sense, is it not? The government isn't "banning" interracial marriage so much as ignoring it by not recognizing it.
    I wonder if you could say it like this too.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Marriage is already "open to all" in that sense, is it not? The government isn't "banning" gay marriage so much as ignoring it by not recognizing it.
    So marriage is open to all, as long as you don't want to be really married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder if you could say it like this too.
    But how is that addressing CR's post (the one I was responding to)?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    But how is that addressing CR's post (the one I was responding to)?
    I am addressing your post. You stated that marriage is open to all. I provided an example of the same dishonest response given in another civil rights case. Marriage is clearly not open to all as far as homosexuality is concerned anymore than it was when blacks and whites were trying to get married.
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