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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's relevant to the discussion that was taking place:

    Again, jallman implied there was some sort of constitutional right supporting gay marriage.

    There is no right to gay marriage in the constitution.
    There is no heterosexual marriage right in the constitution...

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    There is no heterosexual marriage right in the constitution...
    Exactly...

    If we as voters wanted to enact a law stating that states shall no longer recognize marriage of any sort, we could.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's relevant to the discussion that was taking place:

    Again, jallman implied there was some sort of constitutional right supporting gay marriage.

    There is no right to gay marriage in the constitution.
    No, jallman did not imply that. What he implied was that "If there was not mention of 1 man or 1 woman" then one's rights are being taken away.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, jallman did not imply that. What he implied was that "If there was not mention of 1 man or 1 woman" then one's rights are being taken away.
    ...or simply not established.

    SCOTUS ruled that the Constitution did not give women the right to vote. I believe gay 'marriage will take a slimier rout. Imo SCOTUS will find that there is no Constitutional protection of gay 'marriage, and we will then have to pass an amendment creating gay 'marriage just as we did with women's voting rights, black men's voting rights, and similar.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So much work...it's easier just to stop this legislation from happening in the first place.
    But progress needs to be made, and this is good progress. Good laws are always worth the effort.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ...or simply not established.

    SCOTUS ruled that the Constitution did not give women the right to vote. I believe gay 'marriage will take a slimier rout. Imo SCOTUS will find that there is no Constitutional protection of gay 'marriage, and we will then have to pass an amendment creating gay 'marriage just as we did with women's voting rights, black men's voting rights, and similar.
    I just HAD to bold your typo.

    You could be right about your assessment, though this seems like such a long way around and issue that could be pretty easily resolved if agendas were altered.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But progress needs to be made...
    No. No it doesn't.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I just HAD to bold your typo.

    You could be right about your assessment, though this seems like such a long way around and issue that could be pretty easily resolved if agendas were altered.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Exactly...

    If we as voters wanted to enact a law stating that states shall no longer recognize marriage of any sort, we could.
    That's one way to look at it, another way to look at it is that someone who is different in a tiny way isn't being afforded the same benefits that other conjoined couples get because they partake in something a little different than the norm.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    How does it affect non-gays?
    It would change society, and therefore affect everyone. If marriage were inconsequential, suuporters would see no reason to lobby for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The only legitimate argument I have ever seen that rejects GM is from those who do not support special privileges for ANYONE who is married. That's what I meant.
    Taking government out of marriage is a recipe for disaster. But more to the main point - I don't believe I've stated any view for or against gay marriage in this thread. Rather, I've been expressing a view strongly in favor of the debate being decided by voters rather than politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, it's not. It is using existing law to address a new situation.
    Semantics. Roe v. Wade didn't change the constitution, but it certainly changed the law, making abortion legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Do you understand my point that just because something is not specifically spelled out in the Constitution does not mean it is not covered by the Constitution?
    This is not relevant to the point I made.

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