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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

Seeing as women pee without a penis, the phallus is clearly a DELIVERY system for something (Mushroom tip acts as a plug to prevent loss of delivered...er...supplements)

That something needs to be delivered into a canal-like organ so the penis does just that.
 
You are referencing single parents house holds. Why don't you try a comparison of two parent households both homosexual and heterosexual?

I am referencing the removal of either the male or female role model on children in the household. Many single parents do wonderful jobs of raising their children, many well rounded children come from single parent households...correct?

It's the absence of a male or a female in the home that is having it's effects..and you clearly believe two moms can father and two dads can mother. They can't and you know it. Each of us has a memory or lesson entrenched in their moral compass, each of us has a value or code they grew up with, it was provided by their mother or father. Think back and you'll realize I'm right, that either your mother or father was unreplaceable in your life. If it was your mother, a man could NEVER replace that.
 
Just to be precise here...in the utter destruction of CC's now clearly false arguments.

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Every study except those chosen by pro-gay agenda driven people in here who want to purposefully remove the father......call it normal....and then claim there is no effect on children raised without a male in the home.




See what a false and fake argument those that argue on the pro-gay side are engaged in? From alcohol to drug use to mental illness, to poor educational performances.....CC....your argument...Jallman's.....every other pro-gay argument being thrown up in here is dead wrong. Sorry.

Your study is single parent families which has no bearing on the ability of gay couples to raise children. Apples and oranges. Find a study that shows that gay couples are less able to raise kids well and I will be interested, till then this is nothing.
 
I am referencing the removal of either the male or female role model on children in the household. Many single parents do wonderful jobs of raising their children, many well rounded children come from single parent households...correct?

Sure many do fine but not as many as in two parent homes.
It's the absence of a male or a female in the home that is having it's effects..

And you have yet to empirically support that assertation.
and you clearly believe two moms can father and two dads can mother.

From all the studies I've seen they can.

They can't and you know it. Each of us has a memory or lesson entrenched in their moral compass, each of us has a value or code they grew up with, it was provided by their mother or father. Think back and you'll realize I'm right, that either your mother or father was unreplaceable in your life. If it was your mother, a man could NEVER replace that.

My mother and father are irreplaceable simply because they were my mother and father and raised me with love regardless of gender just like what happens in gay households as Im sure many of child would testify to from gay households.
 
I am referencing the removal of either the male or female role model on children in the household. Many single parents do wonderful jobs of raising their children, many well rounded children come from single parent households...correct?

It's the absence of a male or a female in the home that is having it's effects..and you clearly believe two moms can father and two dads can mother. They can't and you know it. Each of us has a memory or lesson entrenched in their moral compass, each of us has a value or code they grew up with, it was provided by their mother or father. Think back and you'll realize I'm right, that either your mother or father was unreplaceable in your life. If it was your mother, a man could NEVER replace that.

None of which addresses gays as parents, except your claim, without substantiation, about the need for a male or female role model at home. Got some data on that?

The further problem is that kids do not usually end up in gay households unless their family is already broken. At that point in time, a stable two parent home is the top priority, and married gay couples can provide that.
 
Not odd at all, nonsense needs to be repeated, that's why they call it nonsense.

Which fits right in to the theme of thread summary and why this thread is so long. The same nonsense keeps getting repeated over and over, regardless of how diluted and ineffectual it is at this point due to lack of substantiation of any sort.
 
Your study is single parent families which has no bearing on the ability of gay couples to raise children. Apples and oranges. Find a study that shows that gay couples are less able to raise kids well and I will be interested, till then this is nothing.

Your disingenuous nonsense doesn't go unnoticed.

"There are virtually no studies that make a direct comparison with same-sex parents," he said, noting census data show one in four same-sex couples are raising a child under the age of 18.

And I don't think ANYONE will argue against the following:

For the most part, the organizations are relying on a relatively small but conclusive body of research -- approximately 67 studies -- looking at children of gay parents and compiled by the American Psychological Association. In study after study, children in same-sex parent families turned out the same, for better or for worse, as children in heterosexual families.

Turned out the same for better or for worse, I take this to mean the absence of one gender had its effects.

As well,

More research needed
The problem with these studies, Dr. Gates says, is that most of the children are from "intentional" same-sex parent families, where the parents tend to be better educated, more affluent and more open about their sexual orientation, and who deliberately conceive or adopt children with the intention of raising them in a same-sex parent family.

"My research suggests that's not the typical gay parent household," Dr. Gates said.

In fact, only 6 percent of same-sex parents have an adopted child, and a sizable number appear to be living in some kind of step-family arrangement, in which parents "come out later and have children from an earlier heterosexual marriage or relationship," he said.

Many of these children's personalities have been shaped already, seeing here a "sizable" number appear to live in relationships which parents came out AFTER the child was born...and thus ending the marriage. As a heterosexual...we call this cheating. Like Tiger Woods...his liasons with all of these women is called infidelity. Should a man or woman pronounce he or she is gay and wants to leave the marriage......its permitted. It's not considered cheating by many, any vows until death do you part are overridden by the individual's lack of honesty and not being able to come to terms with the gayness, thus...got married...had children...and only now wants another relationship with a different and in this case 'gay' person.

You ain't foolin no one Redress. And you're dead wrong.

What happens to kids raised by gay parents?
 
The further problem is that kids do not usually end up in gay households unless their family is already broken. At that point in time, a stable two parent home is the top priority, and married gay couples can provide that.

Piling on colossal error upon massive mistake isn't helping your argument, I've just given stacks of data for families without a male in the home, care to address that?
 
From my previous link:

With all due respect to Cheney and her partner," Dr. James Dobson of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, wrote in Time magazine in December, "the majority of more than 30 years of social-science evidence indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father."

What do the libs say?

Some liberals chimed in too, notably Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Leonard Pitts, who cited "a growing body of research that tells us the child raised without his or her biological father is significantly more likely to live in poverty, do poorly in school, drop out altogether, become a teen parent, exhibit behavioral problems, smoke, drink, use drugs or wind up in jail."

All of you are dead wrong, obviously uneducated on this issue. Perhaps another where you're more informed and can keep up with my plethora of data.



Read more: What happens to kids raised by gay parents?
 
From my previous link:

Quote:
With all due respect to Cheney and her partner," Dr. James Dobson of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, wrote in Time magazine in December, "the majority of more than 30 years of social-science evidence indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father."

What do the libs say?

Id say you don't read your own articles. Also from your linked article:

The problem with the research cited by both Dr. Dobson and Mr. Pitts is that it compares children of heterosexual couples only with those of single parents and not with children of same-sex parent families, said Gary Gates, a senior research fellow at the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law and an expert on census data involving gay and lesbian households.
 
#887 -- and the homophobes and bigots still cling to the backwards premise that sexual orientation is somehow a choice--like declaring a major in college (although one wonders how many of them ever got that far)

Strange times when people can deny something they already know in their hearts.
 
Your disingenuous nonsense doesn't go unnoticed.

No, my reply was accurate. Saying single parent children do worse has any bearing on gay couples as parents is disingenuous. You are comparing apples to oranges.



And I don't think ANYONE will argue against the following:



Turned out the same for better or for worse, I take this to mean the absence of one gender had its effects.

Turned out the same means different now? Brilliant!

As well,



Many of these children's personalities have been shaped already, seeing here a "sizable" number appear to live in relationships which parents came out AFTER the child was born...and thus ending the marriage. As a heterosexual...we call this cheating. Like Tiger Woods...his liasons with all of these women is called infidelity. Should a man or woman pronounce he or she is gay and wants to leave the marriage......its permitted. It's not considered cheating by many, any vows until death do you part are overridden by the individual's lack of honesty and not being able to come to terms with the gayness, thus...got married...had children...and only now wants another relationship with a different and in this case 'gay' person.

You ain't foolin no one Redress. And you're dead wrong.

What happens to kids raised by gay parents?

Families break up for any number of reasons. Divorce is common in this country. When it happens, the issue is not whose fault it might be(and in many cases, fault can be fairly equally apportioned), but the well being of the child. Entering a new relationship after leaving an old one is not cheating by the way.

By the way, I thought I would quote from your link.

The problem with the research cited by both Dr. Dobson and Mr. Pitts is that it compares children of heterosexual couples only with those of single parents and not with children of same-sex parent families, said Gary Gates, a senior research fellow at the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law and an expert on census data involving gay and lesbian households.

See, even in your sources they point out the flaw of using single parent homes and supposing this means a problem with a home of two gay parents.
 
Piling on colossal error upon massive mistake isn't helping your argument, I've just given stacks of data for families without a male in the home, care to address that?

Your data has to do with single parent homes, which the home consisting of a gay couple is not. Here, since this does not seem to sink in, let me repeat and emphasize.

Studies of single parent households are not relevant to outcomes from dual parent households
 
From my previous link:



What do the libs say?



All of you are dead wrong, obviously uneducated on this issue. Perhaps another where you're more informed and can keep up with my plethora of data.



Read more: What happens to kids raised by gay parents?

Your source points out that the research being referenced is not relevant to gay households. Great job using a source which disproves your statements.
 
From my previous link:

Charles, you are utilizing rather selective evidence.

In truth, a child usually does best when raised by their biological mother and father. Does this mean a child cannot do just as well with two same sex parents? No. Certain same sex families can raise children just as well. Does this mean opposite sex parents are inherently better equipped to raise children? No. Some opposite sex families are abusive, impoverished, are too young, or may have any number of factors that preclude them from being effective at raising children.

There are more variables to raising children than simply the sex of the parents. There is no evidence to indicate that a child raised by an opposite sex couple with a high income, no abuse, and an adequate age is at any significant advantage or disadvantage to a child raised by a comparable same sex couple.
 
What's with this stuff about child rearing? It has absolutely no relevance to the issue of same sex marriage.
 
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What's with this stuff about child rearing? It has absolutely no relevance to the issue of same sex marriage.

It's only THE reason the state has any business poking it's nose in your relationships in the first place.

Frankly I don't understand why childless gays are lining up to surrender their right to privacy to Big-Bro when there is no reason for the state to do so.

I mean they say it's about rights, but what they're doing is surrendering rights. It makes no sense.
 
It's only THE reason the state has any business poking it's nose in your relationships in the first place.

Frankly I don't understand why childless gays are lining up to surrender their right to privacy to Big-Bro when there is no reason for the state to do so.

I mean they say it's about rights, but what they're doing is surrendering rights. It makes no sense.

There are quite a few monetary benefits that are denied to unmarried couples.

Why do straights deserve extra rights and benefits?
 
It's only THE reason the state has any business poking it's nose in your relationships in the first place.

Frankly I don't understand why childless gays are lining up to surrender their right to privacy to Big-Bro when there is no reason for the state to do so.

I mean they say it's about rights, but what they're doing is surrendering rights. It makes no sense.

There are 1,138 federal rights guaranteed to married opposite sex couple but not to same sex couples that seek marriage. How many rights are same sex couples giving up?
 
So what? That's no reason to give them my tax dollars.

Who says they get your tax money in the first place? I mean there's a marriage penalty on taxes, so far from getting your money, you might be getting theirs. Even regarding dependent status, that's the couple getting more of their own money back, not getting your money.

Most of the laws regarding marriage regard property transfer and legal authority and responsibility of said children, so 99% of the time your tax money isn't even an issue at all.
 
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