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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    That's the best answer that you can come up with? One would think that if someone makes such a statement then they could answer it with more than just one word that doesn't answer the question.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Why should I compromise my principles for the sake of expediency?
    If your principles are to support GM, I'm on your side. But, ultimately, it is NOT a discrimination issue; it is an issue that can best be described as both supporting the government and as being something beneficial to the government and country.

    This has nothing to do with principle.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    elementary
    How about a bit more. Since this is your "principle", how about sharing this principle with us.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If your principles are to support GM, I'm on your side. But, ultimately, it is NOT a discrimination issue; it is an issue that can best be described as both supporting the government and as being something beneficial to the government and country.

    This has nothing to do with principle.
    My goal is to see government sanctioned marriage abolished. But as long as government is involved, it has no right to restrict marriage to consenting "one man one woman" couples. It must extend it to ALL consenting adults; no exceptions.

    Society has no right to value one relationship above another and then compel my support via my tax dollars. That's discriminatory and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment. I'll only fight it on those grounds and not some back door approach that elevates gays into an accepted group while others are still denied.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    My goal is to see government sanctioned marriage abolished. But as long as government is involved, it has no right to restrict marriage to consenting "one man one woman" couples. It must extend it to ALL consenting adults; no exceptions.

    Society has no right to value one relationship above another and then compel my support via my tax dollars. That's discriminatory and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment. I'll only fight it on those grounds and not some back door approach that elevates gays into an accepted group while others are still denied.
    My goal is the same as yours; difference is that my way will be successful, yours will not. Your way requires laws to be changed. With mine, evidence already exists that supports the utilization of current laws to cover GM. Based on current law, there is no discrimination. Gays can still marry.

    My approach is no back door. It focuses on family and society which is what this is about. Yours pretends to focus on discrimination, but does not. Yours is a loser argument. If it wasn't, we would already have GM.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I wanted to put these two quotes in the same post because though they seem to not be connected, they are.



    I agree. This IS the heart of the matter. Marriage is recognized by the state because it has been shown to produce a healthier and more stable society. Folks who are married live longer, report being happier, tend to be more stable in their jobs and in societal endeavors. Most importantly, they are most adept at rearing children and provide the most stable of environments. Evidence of this is across the board...regardless of sexual orientation. All of this benefits society, and by proxy, the government and country. A more stable, happier populace creates a more stable, happier society. Ultimately, by using the family/societal benefits defense, which I always present, this is a simple debate to win. There is no valid counterpoint, other than eliminating marriage, altogether. Unfortunately, too many pro-GMs are bent on the "rights" position, a loser position because it always gets bogged down in semantics.



    I wanted this post here because of the standard polygamy slippery slope position presented by many anti-GMs. It is a weak and non-sensical position, simply because polygamy does NOT create the same benefits that singular marriage does. Therefore, the government has no vested interest in supporting it.
    This is the best argument I have seen for GM. Wow. I may have to cut and paste it and save it in my personal files! Bravo, Captain, bravo! (I can't wait to see what the response is. )


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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yours pretends to focus on discrimination, but does not. Yours is a loser argument. If it wasn't, we would already have GM.
    Just like it was a loser argument in Brown v Board of Education and Hernandez v Texas?

    Look how long it took the Court to overturn "separate but equal". Was discrimination a loser argument for blacks during the years between Plessy and Brown?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's irrelevant, since I NEVER use the human rights position to argue for GM. It's a loser of a position.
    I wasn't addressing you specifically in that statement.

    Because if elected officials vote for something when the majority of their constituency did not support it, the officials are not doing their jobs.
    You are making my point for me.

    There is no public vote ever that supported a gay marriage bill.

    They did not want to risk the vote knowing the 0-31 record so they denied the vote by the people.

    I ask you again, why are you not disappointed by this decision to stop the people from voting on the issue? Is it because you support GM?
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You do not understand the difference between homosexual behavior and homosexual orientation, or why someone would "stay in the closet for 40 years." Nothing in your post demonstrated any understanding of this issue at all. Sexual orienation is not something that is changed. Sexual behavior can be.
    Really. Prove it.

    List the studies you are claiming support this theory of yours.

    If your goal is to equate the sexual desire of homosexuals with the millions of years of heterosexual procreation and attraction, not to mention the compatibility of sexual organs for procreation between males and females, then you will need more than your pompous attitude and holier than thou rhetoric to convince others.

    This is the most foolish statement I have seen in a long time. It is circular reasoning and completely illogical.
    Of course. How could I possibly think nature would make the opposite sexes attracted to each other. LOL

    So, for all the species of the world that populate with one male one female reproduction, please explain how we are not genetically inclined to be attracted to the opposite sex.

    This is the dumbest argument you have made yet. You want to cast aside millions of years of evolution and procreation based on nothing but your own self satisfying theory.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I ask you again, why are you not disappointed by this decision to stop the people from voting on the issue? Is it because you support GM?
    He's gonna win your heart and mind over by showing you how beneficial gay marriage is to society. You'll have an epiphany and embrace it with open arms

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