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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Compare relative strengths of cultures that promote monogamy vs cultures that promote polygamy and you'll have your answer.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Ultimately, by using the family/societal benefits defense, which I always present, this is a simple debate to win. There is no valid counterpoint, other than eliminating marriage, altogether.
    I have a slightly different position. I think there's plenty of legal challenges and hurdles to keep gay marriage from becoming a true reality for quite some time. I seriously doubt the current SCOTUS makeup would decide in favor of advocates. Even if successful (and pushed down people's throats), we'll end up with another Roe v Wade - a debate that doesn't go away.

    I think the "family/societal benefits" angle is the best way to approach the debate. Not through the courts, but through gentle persuasion, potentially resulting in real acceptance. With acceptance comes people who actually vote to bring about the change. When you've got majorities voting to bring change state-by-state, then you've really won.

    The current strategy only creates resistance.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    I think the "family/societal benefits" angle is the best way to approach the debate.
    No, it's not. That approach is discriminatory and violates the Equal Protection Clause.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    No, it's not. That approach is discriminatory and violates the Equal Protection Clause.
    The discrimination argument is a loser argument. Going the family/societal structural way pretty much guarantees victory. No defense other than eliminating marriage altogether.

    But you try your discrimination position. Watch it get mired in quicksand. As it always does. Which is why there is no GM, currently.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I have a slightly different position. I think there's plenty of legal challenges and hurdles to keep gay marriage from becoming a true reality for quite some time. I seriously doubt the current SCOTUS makeup would decide in favor of advocates. Even if successful (and pushed down people's throats), we'll end up with another Roe v Wade - a debate that doesn't go away.

    I think the "family/societal benefits" angle is the best way to approach the debate. Not through the courts, but through gentle persuasion, potentially resulting in real acceptance. With acceptance comes people who actually vote to bring about the change. When you've got majorities voting to bring change state-by-state, then you've really won.

    The current strategy only creates resistance.
    I pretty much agree with you here, though a think a bit more than "gentle" persuasion is necessary.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The discrimination argument is a loser argument. Going the family/societal structural way pretty much guarantees victory. No defense other than eliminating marriage altogether.
    Why should I compromise my principles for the sake of expediency?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Heterosexuality is genetically inherited because only heterosexual sex allows any species to procreate.
    CC did an excellent job responding to the rest of your post. So will only address this..which I don't think that he addressed enough.

    Evolution through genetics is not a person or alive. It has no directive. Evolution is a completely random event that just happens because of various environmental effects. Normally done through some type of radiation mutating some gene to one degree or another. Plus there is one more problem with your statement. Homosexuals can still procreate. And there are even those that still do want to have kids. (quite a lot of them as a matter of fact)

    You say that heterosexuality is genetically inherited. So where's that gene? You say there is no proof for homosexuality. Well I say that there is equally no proof for heterosexuality being genetic.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    No, it's not. That approach is discriminatory and violates the Equal Protection Clause.
    How? (10 char limit)
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    How? (10 char limit)

    elementary

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    elementary
    That's the best answer that you can come up with? One would think that if someone makes such a statement then they could answer it with more than just one word that doesn't answer the question.
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