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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I stated the law, plain and simple. There's no statement supporting "federal infallibility" in anything I've written, so I believe you'll have to admit you were jumping to conclusions.
    I used the term "somewhat indicates". Who's jumping to conclusions now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You were stating the obvious. I really don't know what you want me to do with that.

    If I happen to mention the Constitution, do I need to also list all the amendments and a disclaimer at the bottom explaining how the process works?
    Just asking that you defend what you say, or at least asking for me to clarify if you don't understand what I'm asking for.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    As far as the federal government is concerned:
    1) Marriage is a 1 man 1 women arrangement
    2) No state must recognize homosexual marriages from other states
    This is your post.

    You state the current federal laws sans any interpretation. You posted this in the context of a debate, not over current federal laws, but over the morality of gay marriage. Thus, you argue that the laws stand on their own as justification for the prohibition of gay marriage. If you meant them as a summary, that's all well and good, but the fact remains that that is not what your post indicates.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
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    With the exception of slavery, all of these were overturned by the courts or the Supreme Court, not by federal statute. Therefore, you cannot logically use them as a defense of a legal statue. Even slavery is not applicable, because it was made illegal by Constitutional Amendment. So, unless you intend to propose that we amend our constitution you are using inapplicable examples to depend your point, although I do support the spirit of your argument.
    You mean Women's suffrage and the repealing of prohibition were ruled/overturned by the courts? I'm pretty sure those were amendments. And an Amendment is: Federal Law, or rather a change to current Federal Law.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Just asking that you defend what you say,
    Always happy to do so - but I'm surely not in the habit of defending what I did not say. When people start talking about things I never claimed or intended, I'm left holding up my hands.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Always happy to do so - but I'm surely not in the habit of defending what I did not say. When people start talking about things I never claimed or intended, I'm left holding up my hands.
    Well I made an inference, not a false claim. Correct me if I am wrong, clarify where I am mistaken. That's all I ask.

    Also, ITT: Speak in the manner of a stately gentleman time?

    Example:
    I say, what rousing debate has been brought forth upon us today!

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You mean Women's suffrage and the repealing of prohibition were ruled/overturned by the courts? I'm pretty sure those were amendments. And an Amendment is: Federal Law, or rather a change to current Federal Law.
    The United States Constitution is not only Federal Law, as is confirmed by the "supreme law of the land" clause and strengthened by the fourteenth amendment. The Constitution is a higher source of legal authority than federal law.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    The United States Constitution is not only Federal Law, as is confirmed by the "supreme law of the land" clause and strengthened by the fourteenth amendment. The Constitution is a higher source of legal authority than federal law.
    I have to agree with this, because if a federal law is unconstitutional, it's struck down.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    The United States Constitution is not only Federal Law, as is confirmed by the "supreme law of the land" clause and strengthened by the fourteenth amendment. The Constitution is a higher source of legal authority than federal law.
    Fair enough, Good sir!


    Also, Why am I not seeing conversing in the manner of stately gentlemen? Come now, lads!

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Fair enough, Good sir!


    Also, Why am I not seeing conversing in the manner of stately gentlemen? Come now, lads!
    I hope by stately gentlemen, you don't mean parliament those guys are nuts
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    You state the current federal laws sans any interpretation. You posted this in the context of a debate, not over current federal laws, but over the morality of gay marriage. Thus, you argue that the laws stand on their own as justification for the prohibition of gay marriage. If you meant them as a summary, that's all well and good, but the fact remains that that is not what your post indicates.
    So now you're not only making up arguments for me, but creating contexts as well?

    Had you bothered to actually view the post in context, you would have seen that I was specifically responding to a point that someone else made in reference to why there should be federal involvement in marriage.

    Although I must admit, the way the forum is set up makes it a bitch to track conversations.
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