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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    What did you pay for the Santa oufit first and then we'll decide if pearls were thrown.
    A search in google for "hot santa".

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    She doesn't because they list the examples "but not limited to"

    Using her loose definition, I could claim murder was a human right because they included that phrase "but not limited to". Its a ridiculous claim.
    FFS Tex, stop it. You're really being ridiculous on this one, and I don't know why...

    You cannot compare marriage to murder.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, you cannot claim that. Murder is not an "aspect of life".
    Funny how they start clawing for any hold they can when they've been shown to be more emotional about the issue than reasoned and logical. Any hold they can, no matter how irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Funny how they start clawing for any hold they can when they've been shown to be more emotional about the issue than reasoned and logical. Any hold they can, no matter how irrelevant.
    When logic fails, bring up 12 year olds getting marriage, polygamy and murder. Bestiality comes next, wait for it. Appeals to emotion are so weak, and so predictable.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The law of the land has already been decided. It's called the Constitution.

    Where in the Constitution does it say anything concerning atrernative life styles?


    I just expect the courts to rule on the proper interpretation of that. If that does not succeed, then a ballot measure would suffice to get it changed in our favor.

    Call me old fashioned, but I don't recall granting the SCOTUS legislative authority.


    And no, there is no middle ground anymore. That time is past. Now is the time to make key strikes that will cost us little but cost the opposition millions in legal fees, etc. Tire them out and exhaust their resources and will to keep fighting it.

    These are government entities that you are up against. Their pocket book is limitless. I think you have to win the hearts and minds of the voter to win overall.


    That was an editorial "you". I probably should have made that a little more clear. As for the personal "you", no, I have never seen you post anything that I would take great exception to. In fact, you seem to be about where I was a year ago.

    Thank you.


    We didn't create the system. But if it's going to be used against us, we have every right to use the system to fight back, also.

    Gone about in the proper way, I see no reason to disagree. But, a subversion exists when you speak of law through judicial fiat IMHO.


    Honestly, I think it's complex enough to deserve it's own thread. But cliff notes version is this: division politics that use religion and liberty as opposing forces, consumerism, and degradation of personal adherence to tradition.

    Using your own definition here, tell me how the supposed "right to marry" is not negated as destructive to society as you define it above.

    ***Personally, I don't think it would necessarly be, but rather if gone about in the heavy handed way you describe, I think it would be.****


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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Will of the people in regards to referendums. laughable.

    It in not majority will with regards to the populace, it is will of the outspoken minority. The whole push for this (among other "hot=button" issues) to go before a vote to get shot down is a matter of "we know our staunchly opposed minority" will flood the polls while the other side, being more blase in their support, but still being numerically superior as a whole will not have as strong a showing.

    this is not will of the people. it is the will of the highly opinionated.
    How many times has the "silent majority" theory been shot down now? anyone? Please there are just as many people who are passionately for same sex marriage as there are against, so lets not pretend that a referendum is un-democratic which is preposterous.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When logic fails, bring up 12 year olds getting marriage, polygamy and murder. Bestiality comes next, wait for it. Appeals to emotion are so weak, and so predictable.

    I don't think that these arguments have any merit at all. However, if one wanted to open that door, the argument could go along religious grounds, since the term "Married" is most often affiliated with a church ceremony. Could not one argue civil unions with all the legal bindings of an actual church ceremony are one in the same?


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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that these arguments have any merit at all. However, if one wanted to open that door, the argument could go along religious grounds, since the term "Married" is most often affiliated with a church ceremony. Could not one argue civil unions with all the legal bindings of an actual church ceremony are one in the same?


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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that these arguments have any merit at all. However, if one wanted to open that door, the argument could go along religious grounds, since the term "Married" is most often affiliated with a church ceremony. Could not one argue civil unions with all the legal bindings of an actual church ceremony are one in the same?


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    That is a much better argument. I don't agree with it, but at least it is based in logic.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Where in the Constitution does it say anything concerning atrernative life styles?
    Id argue that freedom of speech covers that

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