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DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

Charles Martel said:
I'll repeat with utter clarity and understanding and confidence. If you've conceived a child, you are not gay.
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I am still waiting for some factual evidence to back this up. This whole conversation has taken a turn into the surreal. Who is more qualified to determine who any person is attracted to than themselves?
 
Redress said:
I am still waiting for some factual evidence to back this up. This whole conversation has taken a turn into the surreal. Who is more qualified to determine who any person is attracted to than themselves?
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What is homosexual about conceiving a child? Can any of you answer that? Is the birth of any child the result of any homosexual behavior? Or orientation?
And speaking of facts.....attraction is what defines our sexuality?
 
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Charles Martel said:
I understand it perfectly, you are the confused one here, Sir.
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No, obvviously you do not. If you did you would understand that your argument is nonsense...or, at the least, nothing more than an opinion.



Really? Explain.
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One can be homosexual or heterosexual and not ACT on their orientation. One who remains abstinent from sex for their entire life still has a sexual orientation. Those in prison who engage in homosexual behaviors can still be heterosexual. And, folks who give birth can still be homosexual. Behavior is controllable and determined by a number of factors, sexual orientation is just one.



The act of an ejaculation from a man's penis into a woman's vagina isn't a heterosexual act? You are the one with a gross understanding, this is a colossal error.
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You just demonstrated my point. Thank you. You do not understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. It may be a heterosexual act, as defined. That has nothing to do with whether it is being performed by a hetero- or a homosexual.



I'd be in the shower deciding which hetero female in the crowd I was going to take to dinner after she had watched by piecemeal your argument that is itself devoid of fact and a wholesale error. Your wrong Captain, you ain't even close. And that's not a genral statement that one, YOU are wrong here. Not even close. And I'm sorry about that.
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It's a shame. That KO muddled your thinking so much that you don't even remember being KOed. I saw that happen once to a middleweight named Marlon Starling in the 80's. He was KOed like you were and when interviewed afterward, he couldn't even remember being knocked down. I hope in a few days you head clears.
 
Charles Martel said:
I'll repeat with utter clarity and understanding and confidence. If you've conceived a child, you are not gay.
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Your confidence and clarity does nothing to help your lack of understanding. Nothing but your own opinion and morality. Sorry. You lose.

And do not comment off a mod box again.
 
Charles Martel said:
What is homosexual about conceiving a child? Can any of you answer that? Is the birth of any child the result of any homosexual behavior? Or orientation?
And speaking of facts.....attraction is what defines our sexuality?
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What is homosexual about shaving? Not everything done by homosexuals is homosexual.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, obvviously you do not. If you did you would understand that your argument is nonsense...or, at the least, nothing more than an opinion.
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I understand you cannot address my arguments other than to call it nonsense. You're wrong, Captain, my understanding is clear and complete.

One can be homosexual or heterosexual and not ACT on their orientation.
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But once they do act....what then?

One who remains abstinent from sex for their entire life still has a sexual orientation.
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But if they parent a child, their defined. Sorry.

Those in prison who engage in homosexual behaviors can still be heterosexual.
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Exactly. And those who engage in homosexual behavior and conceive a child...are actually heterosexuals, their choice to engage in gay sex, their child proof they're heterosexual.

And, folks who give birth can still be homosexual. Behavior is controllable and determined by a number of factors, sexual orientation is just one.
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You engage in the most heterosexual behavior there is...you conceive a child...then you can call yourself gay until the cows come home. But...you ain't gay(not personal at YOU...Captain):)

He was KOed like you were and when interviewed afterward, he couldn't even remember being knocked down. I hope in a few days you head clears.
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Call me Buster, Mike.
 
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Charles Martel said:
What is homosexual about conceiving a child? Can any of you answer that? Is the birth of any child the result of any homosexual behavior? Or orientation?
And speaking of facts.....attraction is what defines our sexuality?
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Here's your problem:

"What is homosexual about conceiving a child?" Nothing. Nor is it heterosexual. It is reproductive and procreative.

"Is the birth of any child the result of any homosexual behavior?" No. But notice...you used the word "behavior". You're starting to learn.

"Or orientation?" And here is your problem. This is irrelevant. One's behavior is NOT necessarily exclusive to one's orientation.

I hope this clears up the inaccurate information you have posted.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Nor is it heterosexual. It is reproductive and procreative.
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And there is NOTHING procreative or reproductive about homosexuality...Captain. And there are only two orientations...perhaps three. Homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual. And if there is nothing procreative about homosexuality, the birth of a child comes from one of the other two. Sorry, your error here is clear and colossal, your misunderstanding quite massive in fact.

No.
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But it is the result of heterosexual behavior huh? Every single member involved in this argument...was conceived from a heterosexual act....yes or no?

One's behavior is NOT necessarily exclusive to one's orientation.
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And one's homosexual behavior cannot reproduce.

I hope this clears up the inaccurate information you have posted.
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Proves I'm right and you;re Mike Tyson, I'm Buster Douglas.

or down goes Frazier(Capt. Frazier)
 
You are still confused. Homosexuality is a orientation, it's not an act. Sex is an act, and can result, under certain circumstances, in children. You repeatedly confuse the noun(or adjective? so long since english class...) with the verb.
 
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Charles Martel said:
I understand you cannot address my arguments other than to call it nonsense. You're wrong, Captain, my understanding is clear and complete.
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I call it nonsense because it is. Sorry you don't see it.



But once they do act....what then?
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Then...nothing. THAT's what you don't understand. If I am right handed and then write left-handed one day, I am not magically left handed.



But if they parent a child, their defined. Sorry.
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No they are not. Sorry. This argument of yours has been completely shredded since you have neither offered any evidence, and it's lack of logic has been shown. You can keep stating it, but then you are doing the Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repitition) logical fallacy.



Exactly. And those who engage in homosexual behavior and conceive a child...are actually heterosexuals, their choice to engage in gay sex, their child proof they're heterosexual.
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Nope. Not what I said. Very poor debating. A child is not evidence of heterosexuality. Sorry, but as usual, you are wrong.



You engage in the most heterosexual behavior there is...you conceive a child...then you can call yourself gay until the cows come home. But...you ain't gay(not personal at YOU...Captain):)
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Nope. You STILL don't understand the difference between behavior and orientation. I actually believe that you refuse to listen because you know that your position has been destroyed. But please continue. It is always interesting watching someone dig themselves into their denial, deeper and deeper...as you are doing.
 
Charles Martel said:
And there is NOTHING procreative or reproductive about homosexuality...Captain. And there are only two orientations...perhaps three. Homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual. And if there is nothing procreative about homosexuality, the birth of a child comes from one of the other two. Sorry, your error here is clear and colossal, your misunderstanding quite massive in fact.
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You still don't understand. There is nothing reproductive or procreative about the homo- or hetero-sexual orientations. There is something procreative about the heterosexual behavior. Got it yet?



But it is the result of heterosexual behavior huh? Every single member involved in this argument...was conceived from a heterosexual act....yes or no?
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Heterosexual behavior? For the most part, that is accurate. This has nothing to do with the argument you are presenting, however. That is what you are missing.



And one's homosexual behavior cannot reproduce.
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Correct. Notice, however, you used the word "behavior". This has nothing to do with orientation.



Proves I'm right and you;re Mike Tyson, I'm Buster Douglas.

or down goes Frazier(Capt. Frazier)
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No, I'm "The Greatest". You're Foreman.
 
Redress said:
You are still confused. Homosexuality is a orientation, it's not an act. Sex is an act, and can result, under certain circumstances, in children. You repeatedly confuse the noun(or adjective? so long since english class...) with the verb.
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Shall we count how many times this has been explained to him? His refusal to acknowledge it is, to me, deliberate, since it destroys his argument.
 
hazlnut said:
So all left handed people can learn to write with their write hand? They tried this in the 50's--some can, some can't.

All tone deaf people can learn to write music? Anyone can be a great creative artist or mathematician with just a little rewiring? Maybe in the future, but right now -- no.

And I think the behavioral traits I'm talking about are different than the one's you're talking about. Also, it depends on how 'hard'-wired a trait is.

Take low-impulse control; a personality trait common with criminals. Are they all the same? Can this be changed? Well, see a movie called Clockwork Orange and get back to me.

Can a emotionally sensitive person become more or less based on environment. Of course. But, how much more or less will depend on their hard-wired (birth) starting point.
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If you're trying to make a new argument w/ respect to "a homosexual can not be rewired for opposite sex attraction," please be more explicit.

With the above post, you seem to be saying "there are a lot of brain functions that aren't so plastic," but that much is obvious and supported by the info I posted.

There's no data to substantiate the conclusion you'd like to make. At best, you can make a claim that "it's unlikely that a homosexual can be rewired for opposite sex attraction..." but the stronger conclusion is simply not supported by the facts.
 
Taylor said:
If you're trying to make a new argument w/ respect to "a homosexual can not be rewired for opposite sex attraction," please be more explicit.

With the above post, you seem to be saying "there are a lot of brain functions that aren't so plastic," but that much is obvious and supported by the info I posted.

There's no data to substantiate the conclusion you'd like to make. At best, you can make a claim that "it's unlikely that a homosexual can be rewired for opposite sex attraction..." but the stronger conclusion is simply not supported by the facts.
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Define what you mean by "rewired".

Also, please explain (in layman's terms) how what I stated about foot fetishes was incorrect. Are you saying that people with a foot fetish, through some organic process, had their brain rewired to feel that type of sensation in their feet and that it is not caused nerves that overlap or somehow became tangled.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Blowing Grandfather Rock? ;) (That's something a North Carolinian would get)
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I have never understood how that mountain is supposed to look like a grandfather.

But the swinging bridge almost made me lose my lunch the first time I walked across it.
 
jallman said:
I have never understood how that mountain is supposed to look like a grandfather.

But the swinging bridge almost made me lose my lunch the first time I walked across it.
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One time I and a couple of friends walked up the big cable to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge.

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I bet you would have yuked it up but enjoyed the view once you got up there:)
 
jallman said:
I have never understood how that mountain is supposed to look like a grandfather.

But the swinging bridge almost made me lose my lunch the first time I walked across it.
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it did at one point, but I think just recently the 'nose' fell off it so it looks like...well...not like a grandfather.
 
winston53660 said:
One time I and a couple of friends walked up the big cable to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge.

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I bet you would have yuked it up but enjoyed the view once you got up there:)
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I'm not really afraid of heights and I think I could handle that cuz its an incline and you can shimmy on all fours if you need to.

That bridge was a mile high, people behind you, people in front of you and the wind making it shake. That was some horrible **** to endure.

And I was baked out of my mind.
 
winston53660 said:
hehehehehehe we had mushrooms when we did that on the Brooklyn Bridge:mrgreen:
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That wouldn't get done by me. First problem with that is the mushrooms in New York part. Psychadelics and cities don't mix well for me.

And no, I wouldn't have even thought to walk out on that bridge in that state. I am overly cautious about dangerous situations when I am tripping. Not neurotic about it but if I have to ask myself if its a good idea more than three times, I don't do it because it's probably not a good idea. And I don't like stress at all when I'm tripping. :lol:
 
jallman said:
That wouldn't get done by me. First problem with that is the mushrooms in New York part. Psychadelics and cities don't mix well for me.

And no, I wouldn't have even thought to walk out on that bridge in that state. I am overly cautious about dangerous situations when I am tripping. Not neurotic about it but if I have to ask myself if its a good idea more than three times, I don't do it because it's probably not a good idea. And I don't like stress at all when I'm tripping. :lol:
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Oh man I'm driving out to LA tomorrow from Dallas and I'd love to take a trip in the desert. But it just is not in the cards this time.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh man I'm driving out to LA tomorrow from Dallas and I'd love to take a trip in the desert. But it just is not in the cards this time.
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I'm getting to spend a most of the next week in a cabin in the mountains of west virginia. No internet, no cell phone. No nothing except stars, hot buttered rum by the fire, and stoned walks in the snow looking for deer tracks.

I can't wait.
 
jallman said:
I'm getting to spend a most of the next week in a cabin in the mountains of west virginia. No internet, no cell phone. No nothing except stars, hot buttered rum by the fire, and stoned walks in the snow looking for deer tracks.

I can't wait.
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I think I will plan a trip for the way back from LA to Dallas.
 
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