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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    But what we are talking about here is the process, by which it becomes acceptable to society, and therefore, law of the land. I think that the homosexual community is doing itself a great disservice by forcing this issue down the throat of those too closed minded to see what the real questions are.

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    There is always going to be closed minded people just like in the Loving vs Virginia case where 70% were opposed to interracial marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    There is always going to be closed minded people just like in the Loving vs Virginia case where 70% were opposed to interracial marriage.
    However, blacks who certainly would align with interracial marriage, oppose same sex marriage. Probably believe skin color/ethnicity and behavior aren't good analogies. Imagine those who fought so hard for civil rights and the right to marry another of different ethnicity opposing same sex marriage so strongly. I wonder why?
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    However, blacks who certainly would align with interracial marriage, oppose same sex marriage. Probably believe skin color/ethnicity and behavior aren't good analogies. Imagine those who fought so hard for civil rights and the right to marry another of different ethnicity opposing same sex marriage so strongly. I wonder why?
    Because they are closed minded possibly?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Please provide some proof for this ridiculous claim.
    Compare relative strengths of cultures that promote monogamy vs cultures that promote polygamy and you'll have your answer.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    We are dealing with it. IN California, in New York, hopefully by referendum in DC, the answer in referendum by a 31-0 record is a resounding and overwhelming no.

    Remember, after the elections, it's not those opposed to ssm that are harboring hate. We hear about "lies and deceit", the radical or religious right and their agenda, 1000 or more excuses are used. When in reality, the vast number of persons in the US and even state by state oppose same sex marriage. Deal with that.
    We are dealing with it. Every time ignorant jackasses try to enforce their morality over our rights, they will find another fight elsewhere. And we will work through the courts, through community action, through law suit after law suit, through ballot measures...everything.

    And eventually, ignorant jackholes will lose the will to fight and their money will dry up because the fanaticism behind this drive to deny equality will burn out and fade.

    But the human tendancy toward freedom and liberty does not fade. We have momentum on our side. And they have...well...nothing really except an empty ache to make others subjugates of a failing morality.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We are dealing with it. Every time ignorant jackasses try to enforce their morality over our rights, they will find another fight elsewhere. And we will work through the courts, through community action, through law suit after law suit, through ballot measures...everything.

    Why are 'ballot measures' the last thing you come to in affecting change in the law of the land? Shouldn't that be the first?


    And eventually, ignorant jackholes will lose the will to fight and their money will dry up because the fanaticism behind this drive to deny equality will burn out and fade.

    Is anyone that doesn't agree with a specific agenda like that found in the homosexual community, just an 'ignorant jackhole'?


    But the human tendancy toward freedom and liberty does not fade. We have momentum on our side. And they have...well...nothing really except an empty ache to make others subjugates of a failing morality.

    What are the 'failings' endemic in society currently that you see as the downfall of those opposed to SSM?


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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Compare relative strengths of cultures that promote monogamy vs cultures that promote polygamy and you'll have your answer.

    However, monogamy doesn't preclude SSM does it?


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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Also a city high in minority numbers, so, why would you see support? For example, in California, black men voted 70% against same sex marriage, 75% of black women voted against same sex marriage. Those are whopping numbers, this op has an opinion on why.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/opinion/29blow.html

    As well, Hispanic populations will become the dominant minority if they haven't already and many who are fiercly Catholic oppose same sex marriage as was the case in NY.

    New York: Defeat on Same-Sex 'Marriage' Bill - Catholic Online



    I don't believe these findings can support your assertation that DC would support same sex marriage. Highly transient, much of the population minority, I think it goes down in flames.
    I am smiling because after I wrote that, I thought about the fact that I remember minorities in California rejecting it. About 10 minutes ago, I sent an e-mail to a friend of mine who is very active in the gay community in this area (I work in DC) and asked him what he thought would happen if they allowed the citizens to vote on this issue. I think you may be right, but I am interested in what my friend says. I'll report back here.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    However, blacks who certainly would align with interracial marriage, oppose same sex marriage. Probably believe skin color/ethnicity and behavior aren't good analogies. Imagine those who fought so hard for civil rights and the right to marry another of different ethnicity opposing same sex marriage so strongly. I wonder why?
    That's a false analogy. Sexual orientation is not a "behavior". It's a hard-wired personality trait. Homosexuals have no choice in the matter.

    skin color / sexual orientation are analogous. A person does not have a 'choice' in the matter.

    Blacks in CA opposed Prop 8 because of a last-minute push by their religious leaders. The Sunday before that election, many large congregations got an earful of Biblical misinterpretations. Hispanics in Catholics churches got the same thing.

    Since that election many have realized they made a mistake. If Prop 8 were to be voted on again next November, it would not pass.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We are dealing with it. Every time ignorant jackasses try to enforce their morality over our rights,
    What rights are those mean, ignorant jackasses trying to take away?

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