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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Sorry, but it's amusing to see you go on page after page about fallacies and logic and arguments... only to hear you give a "it's good for the kids" argument.

    Exactly!!!!!!
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    The rationale is that marriage is a unique relationship. Both for the purposes of defining our culture, but in raising children, and in defining families. Women change their names, children take the last name of the father, we don't define any other relationship as important or critical.
    "Marriage" is simply a contract revolving around an exchange of property. Originally, the woman was the property being exchanged (hence the giving away part of the ceremony) - nowdays it is a union of property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're kidding, right? You're the one who agreed with me pages ago around family and children as being a most important aspect of government sanctioning marriage. Now it's not much of an argument? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
    I said it was one of several or many factors.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    "Marriage" is simply a contract revolving around an exchange of property.
    Guess that's why we deny it to first cousins, sisters and brothers, mothers and sons. Guess that's why we change our names and aren't permitted to enter into this "property contract" with more than one person. AS if I cannot 'exchange' my vacation home while I'm negotiating the 'exchange' of my apartment.

    You're wrong, Warspite.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Pretending children can be raised on the same standards minus either a mother or father in the home proves who has little concern for children. Your agenda stomps all over children, the purposeful removal of either the male or female from the home and calling it normal isn;t correct and you'll be taken to account for it. I cannot believe you'd be this ignorant or evil for that matter. Not giving children all they deserve is a mortal sin in my religion and flat out unethical in my opinion. How do you sleep at night?
    It may be, but this is a secular republic so frankly we shouldn't really give a hoot what your religion says on the matter. There is no significant evidence to demonstrate same sex couples are any less capable of raising children "properly" (whatever is meant by the word) - as a matter of fact, the only real evidence is that single parents are less capable of raising children.

    If you are really concerned about marriage being "for the children blah blah", then riddle me this; why do we allow couples incapable of breeding such as elderly or infertile to marry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I said it was one of several or many factors.
    No, it was a specific point that we agreed upon as a main factor. But even if you are backing off on that now, as it seems to suit you, if it is one of several factors, how can it also not be much of an argument?
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Guess that's why we deny it to first cousins, sisters and brothers, mothers and sons. Guess that's why we change our names and aren't permitted to enter into this "property contract" with more than one person. AS if I cannot 'exchange' my vacation home while I'm negotiating the 'exchange' of my apartment.

    You're wrong, Warspite.
    Nope, I'm entirely right. Marriage is an inherently sexist and archaic institution from the days when women were chattel - why do you think there is a dowry, a giving away ceremony, etc etc.?

    And quite frankly, both polygamy and incestuous marriages have been permitted throughou varying points in history (Mormons anyone?), it is only quite recently this "nuclear family" crap has been the focus of the institution.

    I see no reason why incestuous and polygamous relationships should not be allowed - barring the genetic defects that can arise from any children born from the former.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    He can do that since there has been a wealth of evidence, with links, provided proving this position in this thread.
    You mean the "wealth of evidence" that you claim shows no differences whatsoever in child upbringing between heterosexual couples and same-sex couples -- even without same-sex marriage? THAT wealth of evidence?

    Seems to weaken the argument that gay marriage is needed to benefit children - I thought you were claiming there were no differences?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    It may be, but this is a secular republic so frankly we shouldn't really give a hoot what your religion says on the matter.
    No one has even brought up religion, what are you talking about?

    There is no significant evidence to demonstrate same sex couples are any less capable of raising children "properly" (whatever is meant by the word) - as a matter of fact, the only real evidence is that single parents are less capable of raising children.
    Actually, there are some far reaching issues concerning no male in the home and issues concerning the increased risk of step parents. In either case, same sex marriage includes both increased risks and therefore, you're wrong.

    If you are really concerned about marriage being "for the children blah blah", then riddle me this; why do we allow couples incapable of breeding such as elderly or infertile to marry?
    We don't ask about age. We don;t ask about children. We don't ask about orientation. We ask about gender and if you're already married and about relations...If you're first cousins, no go. If I walk in with you my spone as straight as it gets, you're a lesbian....they allow us to marry. An unmarried gay man wants to marry an unwed lesbian woman......go for it.

    Wanna marry your first cousin...sorry. Want to marry yer brother...real sorry. Want to marry if you;re already married....sorry...unlike EVERY OTHER contract, you may not. Want to marry within gender....real sorry.

    Easy rules and if you don;t like them......change them. Behind a legislative or referendum endeavor.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Gays marry all the time! Are you asking why we don't allow same sex couples to marry?
    Where have I heard this argument before...oh yeah, on the issue of miscegenation. Exactly the ame arguments used against it are being used against same sex marriage now; the conservative camp isn't exactly creative now is it?

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