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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I'm trying to take the squirrelly way out and say "well why don't you find a source denying it? blah blah blah myah myah myah." But its something to consider.

    There are theories here and there concerning the genetic quality of homosexuality, but its something that is being searched for, not found already; thus the science of it.

    Anyway my point is that more open-minded people would believe homosexuals when they themselves say it is "not a choice." It seems like more and more people who say it isn't genetic are saying it simply because they care way too much about the person lives of other people. It seems like these people are somewhat scared to be proven wrong, if in fact it turns out to be genetic.

    Why? What does it matter if it turns out to be genetic? What does that change about your life?

    Genetic or non-genetic, homosexuality still exists. How do we know? Because we have people who openly recognize it as a "threat."
    What you are ignoring is the other side.

    If it is something you are born with how do some live for decades before coming out of the closet? How have some church groups converted gays to heterosexuality? Why are you not open about that?

    If you want to accept what some say on faith that isn't being open minded, its being faithful which isn't a crime but it certainly isn't something you base changing a law on.

    And the only "threat" people are looking at is the threat of accepting a lifestyle on faith and changing law based on that faith and not facts.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    I just found this resource:
    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory[/ame]
    Last edited by windovervocalcords; 12-24-09 at 01:26 PM.

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    TO never leave the decision to a robe or suit but to We the People. I think our society should define marriage and give the government specific instructions on how it should govern and define marriage.
    Oh, I get it. Leave the decision to you and other likeminded people instead? We the people? Got a mouse in your pocket? We the people, have progressively changed our societal views regarding the oppression of gays and each year the pro-gay rights percentages go up and up and up. YOU want to close that door once and for all before you and yours are all but gone? What I hear you saying is that the decision deserves to be made by you and your monster church and "we the people" be damned.

    Got it.

    You would have no problem with amending a constitution to fit your definition of what is and is not marriage, forever closing the door to future generations to make that decision for themselves?

    We the people.... sheeesh. Gimme a break.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What you are ignoring is the other side.

    If it is something you are born with how do some live for decades before coming out of the closet? How have some church groups converted gays to heterosexuality? Why are you not open about that?

    If you want to accept what some say on faith that isn't being open minded, its being faithful which isn't a crime but it certainly isn't something you base changing a law on.

    And the only "threat" people are looking at is the threat of accepting a lifestyle on faith and changing law based on that faith and not facts.
    they haven't. some people just don't have the balls to stand up and be counted for who they are. they would rather live in a false hetero identity than to live like a pariah in the world.

    some people are so afraid of the rejection they live in pain and in hiding. when a person tells their parents that they are gay or lesbian there is a huge possibility that they will suffer bigoted rejection even from those that lie about lovely you and accepting you no matter what.

    many gays and lesbians live in hiding. they hate their lives and many times the solution to religious bigotry and homophobic hatred is suicide. the churches should be torn down for all the mental damage they put on people.

    they churches do nothing except push people in a box of hiding. gay is gay lesbian is lesbian. we can't change that or the feelings. the best anyone does is convince someone to hide.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Thank you. I appreciate your honesty.



    Actually, that is not true. Questionnaires are more reliable than interviews because they are far more generic. Interviews can be more easily subjective.
    Totally false. We are talking about psychological evaluation. Perhaps its because I am close to this field because I have family in it I understand it better than you but body language is a key component which is why therapists don't rely on questionnaires for answers.

    Too subjective. How one person reads body language is different than how others might. I've conducted research studies. Questionnaires are more reliable.
    Completely false. You obviously have never studied or known any experts in body language. It is absolutely key in a psychological evaluation.

    1 on 1 face time is absolutely essential when studying the psychological profile of a person not to mention their honesty or dishonesty on a subject.

    Ummm...no, that is a study done by the authors themselves.
    Read it again. The majority of their conclusions are cited by footnote of other studies.

    Hand 1991, Patterson, 1995, Osterweil 1991

    Been a while since I've looked at this study. You could be right about this one. I would not conduct research this way, but I need to take a harder look at it for validity's sake.
    Go right ahead.

    I do not agree. An interview is far more subjective than a well designed questionnaire.
    You are going to need to explain this point of view.

    A questionnaire filled out unsupervised away from any control, leaves open all matter of outside influences from group think to someone else filling out the parts especially for children.

    When you question someone directly you can see facial twitches, moving around in a chair, uncomfortable subjects, and slew of other non verbal communication you cannot get with a questionnaire.

    Why do you think juries want to see witnesses? Why not just fill out a questionnaire? Why is it a requirement of law?

    Why do shrinks have offices? Why not simply evaluate someone based on a questionnaire?

    No, both of these practices are standard and in most cases produce far more reliable results. If one chooses random sampling for a study, one often gets unwilling participants who can create skewed data. Using volunteers and questionnaires do not, in general, create reliability problems. Questionnaires certainly not, and volunteers mostly not.
    To believe this is to throw out everything we know and understand about body lanaguage and its effect not to mention allowing the very real possibility of group answers and group think when the questionnaire is filled out in an uncontrolled environment.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Like most laws, marriage laws promote healthy behavior they do not guarantee it.
    Private marriages that are not legally binding can accomplish the same thing.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Private marriages that are not legally binding can accomplish the same thing.
    Through what mechanism? Can you provide an example of another country that uses such a model with equal success compared to what we have now?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Interesting. It seems that South Africa is flipping insane.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    To believe this is to throw out everything we know and understand about body lanaguage and its effect not to mention allowing the very real possibility of group answers and group think when the questionnaire is filled out in an uncontrolled environment.
    Just out of curiosity, do you hae any valid peer reviewed evidence to indicate that children raised by same sex couples are at a significant disadvantage to children raised by different sex couples? To support your position you need to do more than take shots at the opposition's evidence, you have to supply some valid evidence of your own.

    Also, given the dozens upon dozens of qualitative studies which support the "no better or worse" hypothesis, is it not safe to assume that at least some same sex couples are just as capable of raising children as different sex couples?

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting. It seems that South Africa is flipping insane.
    I think you read that wrong.

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