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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Which of the versions of Marriage do you want to propose? Many cultures have a polygamist marriage system. Should we take their definition? Many people from those cultures live in America.
    No we should not take their definition.

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    Marriage is something that is vastly different from culture to culture, and is not something that should be defined by the state, for it would imply issues with those cultures that do not define marriage as between one man and one woman.
    It's precisely something that should be defined by the state. Why not promote what brings about a healthy society? If America had promoted polygamy over monogamy, we never would have achieved the status we have today.

    You mention that "many people from those cultures live in America" -- for the most part, they consist of poor, uneducated people who rely on handouts from mainstream culture to survive.

    If by not promoting that sort of lifestyle we "imply issues" -- all the better.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Will the policies leave with them?
    Sure. If people are pissed about it, they can vote the city council and mayor out of office next time they're up for election. Then the new city council and mayor can repeal those laws. Thus is the nature of a republic. See how that works?
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    "the people" did not ask to vote. A few people did.
    Our founding fathers valued the opinion of the minority, as long as they had sufficient signatures to petition, there should have been a vote. If it is truly the "will of the people" for gay marriage to be allowed, then the GM advocates have nothing to worry about.

    That aside, as a Catholic myself, I have difficulty accepting the church doctrine on this issue. I don't understand how you can define "fertility" as in the line "go forth and be fertile" from the book of Genesis which to my understanding is the primary Biblical basis for the anti-gay marriage movement, as simply the ability to produce offspring. By that reasoning, infertile couples should not be able to marry either. I would welcome correction on this issue as I must admit I have not made extensive study of Church doctrine in this regard.

    In spite of this, I think that a more moderate solution to the gay marriage question is in order. The government does not have the right to interfere in the personal lives of U.S. citizens and sanction or deny ANY marriage, homosexual or heterosexual, not does it have the authority to tell religious bodies who they can or cannot marry. That said, the government should issue civil unions to ALL couples, gay and straight. These would not be the truncated civil unions currently present, but basically the legal equivalent to what is now a marriage license. As I said before, these would be issued to both homo- and hetero-sexuals. From this point, religious organizations (churches, synagogues, etc.) could decide who they will and will not marry according to their own beliefs. Such is the nature of freedom of religion and separation of church and state. Thus all people are equal under the law and all people are free to practice their own beliefs.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    All sorts of ways ranging from how people view such relationships to preferential adoption to taxes to a whole myriad of things.

    How could it NOT affect you?
    It wouldn't affect me in the least.

    But in addressing what you said, please tell us how GM would affect how YOU view relationships, how it would create preferential adoption, or how it would affect YOUR taxes.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Haha -
    You misinterpreted the point of my earlier statement and are now trying to cover your butt! I see right through it whether you wish to admit it or not.
    No, I am pointing out how he said exactly what I said. It's not my fault if that harms your argument.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    No we should not take their definition.


    It's precisely something that should be defined by the state. Why not promote what brings about a healthy society? If America had promoted polygamy over monogamy, we never would have achieved the status we have today.

    You mention that "many people from those cultures live in America" -- for the most part, they consist of poor, uneducated people who rely on handouts from mainstream culture to survive.

    If by not promoting that sort of lifestyle we "imply issues" -- all the better.
    I placed in bold the important part and the reason why either GM or gay civil marriage should be legalized.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    As we see DC become the fifth 'locale', joining 4 other states, it appears clear why a national amendent would have made sense during Bush's first term. Many who oppose same sex marriage opposed an amendment to our Constitution, this would have prevented this issue from being yanked from constitutent's decisions-making processes

    Where I support this as it's a 'legislative move', it isn't the standard legislature as DC isn't a state. Congress holds ultimate authority, and there is a DoMA law currently written, my guess is Democrats will forego and ignore the law signed by President Clinton and approve ssm anyway torching off much more debate.

    ...and why...like my state...an amendment to the state constitution defining marriage and specifically not recognizing other state's decisions on this matter become even more critical. We the People need to define what marriage is...not a court....not some Executive Mayor or some House member...We the People must remain the ultimate deciders, we're the one's who need to specifically define and make laws pertaining and regarding marriage. End of story.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If America had promoted polygamy over monogamy, we never would have achieved the status we have today.
    Please provide some proof for this ridiculous claim.
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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure. If people are pissed about it, they can vote the city council and mayor out of office next time they're up for election. Then the new city council and mayor can repeal those laws. Thus is the nature of a republic. See how that works?
    So no the policies don't leave with them.

    Some of these things can not be repealed once enacted.

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    Re: DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    We the People need to define what marriage is...not a court....not some Executive Mayor or some House member...We the People must remain the ultimate deciders, we're the one's who need to specifically define and make laws pertaining and regarding marriage. End of story.
    "We the People" also includes many homosexuals who have defined theme selves as married.

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