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Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

I wanted to know when assault of an individual nets someone a life sentence.
I see you've decided to edit your post, good.

To answer the question;
When this individual is a prime minister.

See, that was easy. ;)
 
When this individual is a prime minister.

See, that was easy. ;)

Why is the Prime Minister better than any other human? Do they get extra rights by virtue of public office? Are they extra-human in some way? Assault is assault, it doesn't matter who is assaulted, it needs to be treated uniformly across the board. Political leaders aren't special, they're people like anyone else with the same rights and liberties as anyone else. If you assault a person, you face certain repercussions from that action. Assaulting a mother or priest or political leader is the same base crime; assault. It doesn't matter who you assault or for what reason you do so.

I think claiming that political leaders are somehow special by nothing more than virtue of holding office is looking down on everyone else.
 
Why is the Prime Minister better than any other human?
He's not.
Do they get extra rights by virtue of public office?
Nope.
Are they extra-human in some way?
Absolutely not.
Assault is assault, it doesn't matter who is assaulted, it needs to be treated uniformly across the board. Political leaders aren't special, they're people like anyone else with the same rights and liberties as anyone else. If you assault a person, you face certain repercussions from that action. Assaulting a mother or priest or political leader is the same base crime; assault. It doesn't matter who you assault or for what reason you do so.

I think claiming that political leaders are somehow special by nothing more than virtue of holding office is looking down on everyone else.
A prime minister is the functioning leader of the state.

Attacking the functioning leader of the state is as severe as attacking the bees' queen.
It effects everyone in the nation and has an effect on the functionality of the state itself.

Is a prime-minister a human being, just like everyone else?
Of course he is.

Should his life be more treasured and more protected than the life of the common person?
Absolutely.
 
You can always get more leaders. Being the head isn't anything special. It just means you're in a position to protect your people. Valuing a leader above others is not just, we're all the same value. There's nothing special about a person who is a leader, they are the same as us and the job can be done by us as well if our will to protect is strong enough. Since courts deal with the rights and liberties of the individual, those being infringed upon by others, and all have the same rights and liberties; then punishment must be equal.
 
I would also not be surprised if he had staged the whole damn thing himself, considering his reaction after being attacked...

This is about as pathetic as people in this country who claim our former president arranged himself to get show to get sympathy votes in the election the following day.
 
Who cares about his vanity? I was just aghast that you find it acceptable that a head of state is attacked physically because you don't like him? And then accuse him of staging it.....I guess credibility is of no concern eh?


j-mac

Europeans. :lol:
 
This is about as pathetic as people in this country who claim our former president arranged himself to get show to get sympathy votes in the election the following day.

Thats exactly where "democracy" in America is at the moment.
 
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying..

:applaud

Ive got to admit i sympathize to a degree with Maximus here. Morally i think this is completely wrong in many ways but as much as i try to feel outraged.....i just cant.
 
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying..

:applaud
Then you're absolutely wrong.
Silvia has done nothing to deserve violence, and supporting violence against someone who has not deserved it is repulsive.
 
Ive got to admit i sympathize to a degree with Maximus here. Morally i think this is completely wrong in many ways but as much as i try to feel outraged.....i just cant.
It is called "hatred", and it is pretty much a strong human emotion.
 
It is called "hatred", and it is pretty much a strong human emotion.

Well not hatred in a literal sense but pretty much. Whatever your political standpoint you must admit he,s a pretty despicable guy.
 
Well not hatred in a literal sense but pretty much. Whatever your political standpoint you must admit he,s a pretty despicable guy.
As long as he doesn't hurt anyone, he simply enjoys the small pleasures that life has to offer.
I find nothing wrong with that.

And if he is found guilty of corruptness, as some claim, then the fitting punishment should be delivered - but you do realize that this punishment wouldn't be violent, right?
 
As long as he doesn't hurt anyone, he simply enjoys the small pleasures that life has to offer.
I find nothing wrong with that.

Yea like whores, drugs, killing off the opposition and such "fun things".
And if he is found guilty of corruptness, as some claim, then the fitting punishment should be delivered - but you do realize that this punishment wouldn't be violent, right?

LOL you do know that he has done everything in his power to block any legal action against him right? Berlosconi is in many ways no better than Chavez and any other 2 bit dictator who rewrites laws and constitutions to keep him in power.
 
As long as he doesn't hurt anyone, he simply enjoys the small pleasures that life has to offer.
I find nothing wrong with that.

And if he is found guilty of corruptness, as some claim, then the fitting punishment should be delivered - but you do realize that this punishment wouldn't be violent, right?

Im don't care about his personal life except in the way in interacts with politics (Cabinet posts have alledgedly been obtained through sucking up to Berlusconi in a...somewhat literal sense). Ultimately its corruption im bothered about. But again im not saying it was morally right/is right (tactically speaking its also quite stupid) to respond to this through violence I simply said i found it hard to be outraged. I try but the feeling just isnt there.
 
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Yea like whores, drugs, killing off the opposition and such "fun things".
He didn't kill anyone.
LOL you do know that he has done everything in his power to block any legal action against him right? Berlosconi is in many ways no better than Chavez and any other 2 bit dictator who rewrites laws and constitutions to keep him in power.
You have your own words alone to promote your arguments.
How about proving that he has practiced dictatorial acts?
 
Im don't care about his personal life except in the way in interacts with politics (Cabinet posts have alledgedly been obtained through sucking up to Berlusconi in a...somewhat literal sense). Ultimately its corruption im bothered about. But again im not saying it was morally right/is right (tactically speaking its also quite stupid) to respond to this through violence I simply said i found it hard to be outraged. I try but the feeling just isnt there.
As long as you admit it's wrong, the moral high ground is yours.
 
He didn't kill anyone.

Fatal twist in transsexual scandal - Herald Scotland | News | World News

So who knows... a person linked to a sex and drug scandal involving Berlosconi (and yes others) is murdered... who knows..

You have your own words alone to promote your arguments.
How about proving that he has practiced dictatorial acts?

France24 - Top court throws out Berlusconi immunity law

So making a law to prevent prosecution of the Prime Minister and his cohorts is not the act of a dictator?

And lets not forget his links to the Mafia.
 
Fatal twist in transsexual scandal - Herald Scotland | News | World News

So who knows... a person linked to a sex and drug scandal involving Berlosconi (and yes others) is murdered... who knows..
So you think you know? :2razz:
France24 - Top court throws out Berlusconi immunity law

So making a law to prevent prosecution of the Prime Minister and his cohorts is not the act of a dictator?

And lets not forget his links to the Mafia.
A lot of democracies give immunity to their leaders from the law during their administration, and once that ends, their immunity is automatically removed and they can be charged.
 
So you think you know? :2razz:
A lot of democracies give immunity to their leaders from the law during their administration, and once that ends, their immunity is automatically removed and they can be charged.

Oh yea I know, but this law was put on the table and passed by Berlusconi and his cronies when the "heat" got too much for them. That is the problem.. the law was put on the books by the sitting Prime Minister and his party to protect the sitting prime minister and his people from any and all prosecution... that is wrong.
 
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