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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wanted to know when assault of an individual nets someone a life sentence.
    I see you've decided to edit your post, good.

    To answer the question;
    When this individual is a prime minister.

    See, that was easy.
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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    When this individual is a prime minister.

    See, that was easy.
    Why is the Prime Minister better than any other human? Do they get extra rights by virtue of public office? Are they extra-human in some way? Assault is assault, it doesn't matter who is assaulted, it needs to be treated uniformly across the board. Political leaders aren't special, they're people like anyone else with the same rights and liberties as anyone else. If you assault a person, you face certain repercussions from that action. Assaulting a mother or priest or political leader is the same base crime; assault. It doesn't matter who you assault or for what reason you do so.

    I think claiming that political leaders are somehow special by nothing more than virtue of holding office is looking down on everyone else.
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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why is the Prime Minister better than any other human?
    He's not.
    Do they get extra rights by virtue of public office?
    Nope.
    Are they extra-human in some way?
    Absolutely not.
    Assault is assault, it doesn't matter who is assaulted, it needs to be treated uniformly across the board. Political leaders aren't special, they're people like anyone else with the same rights and liberties as anyone else. If you assault a person, you face certain repercussions from that action. Assaulting a mother or priest or political leader is the same base crime; assault. It doesn't matter who you assault or for what reason you do so.

    I think claiming that political leaders are somehow special by nothing more than virtue of holding office is looking down on everyone else.
    A prime minister is the functioning leader of the state.

    Attacking the functioning leader of the state is as severe as attacking the bees' queen.
    It effects everyone in the nation and has an effect on the functionality of the state itself.

    Is a prime-minister a human being, just like everyone else?
    Of course he is.

    Should his life be more treasured and more protected than the life of the common person?
    Absolutely.
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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    You can always get more leaders. Being the head isn't anything special. It just means you're in a position to protect your people. Valuing a leader above others is not just, we're all the same value. There's nothing special about a person who is a leader, they are the same as us and the job can be done by us as well if our will to protect is strong enough. Since courts deal with the rights and liberties of the individual, those being infringed upon by others, and all have the same rights and liberties; then punishment must be equal.
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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I would also not be surprised if he had staged the whole damn thing himself, considering his reaction after being attacked...
    This is about as pathetic as people in this country who claim our former president arranged himself to get show to get sympathy votes in the election the following day.
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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who cares about his vanity? I was just aghast that you find it acceptable that a head of state is attacked physically because you don't like him? And then accuse him of staging it.....I guess credibility is of no concern eh?


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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So where's the comparison here?
    Are you saying that Mussolini is to Silvia like execution is to a statue to the face?
    Yes, that is exactly what I am saying..

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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    This is about as pathetic as people in this country who claim our former president arranged himself to get show to get sympathy votes in the election the following day.
    Thats exactly where "democracy" in America is at the moment.
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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what I am saying..

    Ive got to admit i sympathize to a degree with Maximus here. Morally i think this is completely wrong in many ways but as much as i try to feel outraged.....i just cant.

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    Re: Italian premier Berlusconi bloodied by protester

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what I am saying..

    Then you're absolutely wrong.
    Silvia has done nothing to deserve violence, and supporting violence against someone who has not deserved it is repulsive.
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