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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, but, Iran is so peaceful and nice and stuff!
    Iran is about as peaceful as the street gangs of South Central Los Angeles.

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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Back on topic,

    According to the article: "The documents have been seen by intelligence agencies from several Western countries, including Britain. A senior source at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmed that they had been passed to the UNís nuclear watchdog."

    That's good. So this will be handled by the United Nations which will determine whether Iran was acting against international law and in breach of the treaties it signed.

    In order for diplomacy to succeed you need the UN to enforce its own resolutions. That way everyone wins, justabubba. Iran can get safe peaceful nuclear power and enjoy all the benefits. Nobody is saying they can't have nuclear power. They just can't have nuclear weapons, that's all.

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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So when you posted this:



    it was not only pro Israel, but NOT derailing the thread topic? You should have stopped with "nevermind".....


    j-mac
    not surprising a south carolinian lost their way ... blame it on your pitiful excuse of a school system
    - do try to keep up
    read the statement to which i responded:
    Originally Posted by apdst
    But, but, Iran is so peaceful and nice and stuff!
    and here was my reply:
    yep. just like nuclear equipped israel, it has repeatedly violated sovereign nations' territories in its military campaigns, such as in


    nevermind
    rather than wait for your english teacher to point out why you should have understood my response to be a direct repy to the previous statement, i will explain it to you

    apdst's snarky point was that iran is not a peaceful nation, and therefor should not be trusted to possess nuclear weapons

    i compared and contrasted that with a nuclear power in that region which has a history of violating sovereign boundaries in the conduct of wars - wars it initiates - to demonstrate the hypocrisy of tolerating israel's ownership of nuclear devices while simultaneously condemning iran's pursuit for military parity. the hypocrisy is heightened, when one also recognizes that it is israel, which is pushing for military intervention to suppress the iranian achievement of nuclear weaponry

    Einstein advissed us to make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. that is as simple as i can explain it to you. given the educational disadvantage you have acquired by residening in sc, if you need its simpler, you must appeal to a reich wing conservative for an answer you will then find acceptable (and erroneous)

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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, the high percentage of Arab citizens in Israel is mainly due to Israel's acceptance of them as citizens at the end of its independence war.

    If you do not want people to "leave this conversation in the wrong headed belief", do not partake in history and reality denial.
    to accept your presentation would be to pretend that the israeli state was established on land which was sparsely occupied by few Palestinian inhabitants

    let's disabuse everyone of that notion and any zionist efforts to re-write the historical facts

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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Originally Posted by justabubba
    here's a challenge. show us where that was said


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    ran's president did not stop there, continuing his vitriol during a speech at a conference called "A World Without Zionism." Ahmadinejad told the audience that the "new wave" of Palestinian attacks would destroy Israel, that Muslim countries that made peace with Israel would "burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury" and that a world without the US and Israel would be possible, reported the Iranian government news agency, IRNA.

    Vice Prime Minister Shimon Peres called for Israel to work to get Iran kicked out of the United Nations, saying Ahmadinejad's comments represented a "crime against humanity."

    "The president of Iran's call is even more grave in light of Iran's attempts to develop nuclear weapons and acquire long range missiles," Peres wrote in a letter to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

    "Israel should immediately turn to the general-secretary of the UN and to the Security Council with an unequivocal demand to distance Iran from the UN."

    Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said the comments only served to underline the need to send the file on Iran's nuclear development to the UN Security Council for the imposition of sanctions.

    Iranian president: 'Wipe Israel off map' | Israel | Jerusalem Post
    That was easy.

    easy it may have been, but it is also erroneous. read what was ACTUALLY said ... here's a hint (as has been provided numerous times previously) ... the iranian president was advocating the destruction of zionism. it is the zionist propaganda which would want you to believe that he was proposing the destruction of israel. that distinction is not unlike confusing one's opposition to nazism and instead repeating it as opposition to germany; they are not synonymous terms

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    again, since you are insisting this is a national iranian practice, it should be easy for your to offer up evidence of your allegation. i look forward to seeing it


    Quote:
    My lords, Honorable Members of parliament Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to be at the House of Commons.

    I am an Iranian, a practicing Muslim woman, who sees it as her responsibility to stand up to hard core Muslims who use Islam to brainwash children of that faith, in particular the Iranian children, who the Iranian government is turning into ticking bombs.

    After all I have gone through, some in the audience might ask, why do I put myself in danger again? I made it out alive. I have a successful life outside Iran. Why would I want to be here?

    My answer is best summed up by the Edmond Burke quotation, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing."

    I teach people that if they have something to say, it shouldn't be just a desire but a human duty and responsibility to help others. If we can change the text books, if we can teach the children of Iran and the Middle East that hate is not inherited; it is taught. If they can understand that children everywhere are innocent and if they can learn, as I often say, that "Governments do and People pay", we will save generations of our human family from the hard core fundamentalists who are turning them into human bombs.
    +_+_+
    During the years I was studying in Iran, we were lined up at 7 A. M, every morning, rain or shine, before attending our classes at 8 A. M to yell, "Death to America, Death To Israel, Death To United Kingdom, Death to France and Death to Germany.


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    That was Easy.

    [B]it may have been easy, but again, it is wrong.
    here is your own statement:
    that must be embarrassing. let me add to your needed embarrassment. iranians are persians - NOT arabs. no more kool aid for you


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    if israel gave rights to all of its citizens then the arabs would control the israeli government


    That's a political issue. They only have 52% of the population.
    i accept your concession that your previous statement was wrong, where you insisted israel gave all rights to ALL of its citizens. at least you now realize that is not the case. extra points awarded for that concession

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    Originally Posted by justabubba
    please point to my derisive comment about jews ... or, being unable to do so, admit you are once again speaking out of your ass


    and we are now able to witness that you were indeed speaking out of your ass as you were unable to point to any derisive comment from me about jews

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    Originally Posted by justabubba
    yep. just like nuclear equipped israel, it has repeatedly violated sovereign nations' territories in its military campaigns, such as in


    nevermind



    Here you imply Israel's nuclear weapons are a threat, and that Israel starts unjustified wars.

    Playing the "Hate Israel" game.

    nuclear weapons are a threat. i didn't need to imply that fact, einstein
    i stated that israel crosses sovereign borders in its conduct of war. you have been unable to deny that fact ... so, you misrepresent it. goebbels would be proud

    why would i hate israel? israel is an American ally. i have no problems with jews or a predominately jewish community or nation. again, you are caught speaking out of your ass. you may want to have a proctologist look at that


    If you wanna play kiddo, let's play. I've done exactly as you asked, and I shut you down on all fronts.

    it appears that you are playing with yourself; (no surprise there). i am engaging you in debate and feel like i am taking advantage of the defenseless
    please point out the part where you shut me down
    Semantics, claims I'm wrong and demands of concession.


    About what I expected.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    to accept your presentation would be to pretend that the israeli state was established on land which was sparsely occupied by few Palestinian inhabitants

    let's disabuse everyone of that notion and any zionist efforts to re-write the historical facts
    No, to accept my presentation of reality is to accept reality, and to deny it is to deny reality, I have given no opinions or pieces of doubt, I have given nothing but reality.

    Now I can see that you are one of those who scream "Zionism is an evil ideology", while Zionism is nothing more than the thrive to establish the Jewish homeland, and since that was already done, Zionism is no longer existing.

    Do enjoy being a deceiving paranoid.
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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not surprising a south carolinian lost their way ... blame it on your pitiful excuse of a school system
    - do try to keep up
    Just to disabuse you of your preconceived prejudices of my recently adopted home in SC, I moved here a year ago. I was born and raised in Michigan, and went to pretty good schools.

    You opening only serves to show your bias, and racism.


    rather than wait for your english teacher to point out why you should have understood my response to be a direct repy to the previous statement, i will explain it to you

    I understood completely what you were saying, and as wrong as it was, I also understood this whining follow up when you started getting your ass handed to you:

    start a thread on that topic rather than derail this thread and i will post there
    Shall we break out the cryin' towels for you now or later after the real battle is finished?


    i compared and contrasted that with a nuclear power in that region which has a history of violating sovereign boundaries in the conduct of wars - wars it initiates - to demonstrate the hypocrisy of tolerating israel's ownership of nuclear devices while simultaneously condemning iran's pursuit for military parity. the hypocrisy is heightened, when one also recognizes that it is israel, which is pushing for military intervention to suppress the iranian achievement of nuclear weaponry

    Your obvious, and noted support of a rouge regime bent on destabilization of the region, and your bias filled misrepresentation of the country of Israel and its struggles over the decades while surrounded by enemies on all sides constantly attacking them is elementary, and easy to point out which side of rational, critical thought you reside.


    Einstein advissed us to make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. that is as simple as i can explain it to you. given the educational disadvantage you have acquired by residening in sc, if you need its simpler, you must appeal to a reich wing conservative for an answer you will then find acceptable (and erroneous)

    I prefer Occam's razor, and have found that it is most likely true when applied. Those who more often than not try to delve into the realm of nuance, and semantic games often lose not for lack of effort, but because they just don't know what they are doing, nor do they have the education they try and present that they have....Which one is it with you?


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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Justabubba, I do not think that by now it is possible to deny and/or hide Iran's true wishes.
    The chance to deny this piece of reality has long been gone, perhaps after the 100th threat made by the Iranian president against the western world and against Israel in private.

    You are also aware, I am sure, that Ahmedinejad has never denied his intentions, so I am very confused as to why would you choose to do so instead of him.
    true wishes. here are the true words ... without the spin from zionist propagandists (i bet you know some)

    Full text of Ahmadinejad's speech to the UN General Assembly - Haaretz - Israel News

    zionism is to israel as nazism is to germany
    it is acceptable to seek the end of the former but never the latter

    which is why the zionish propaganda practice is to misrepresent accusations (and threats) against zionism as instead being accusations (and threats) made against israel

    that semantic distinction is used against the Palestinian/iranian interests

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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

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    Re: Secret document exposes Iranís nuclear trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    zionism is to israel as nazism is to germany
    With that sentence alone, you have fully exposed your argument's outstanding immorality.

    I now have no reason to give any further comment to you on this topic.
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