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Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

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Negotiations at the UN climate summit have been suspended after developing countries withdrew their co-operation.
Delegations were angry at what they saw as moves by the Danish host government to sideline talks on more emission cuts under the Kyoto Protocol.
As news spread around the conference centre, activists chanted "We stand with Africa - Kyoto targets now".
Informal talks continue, and the UN climate convention head said the formal agenda should resume in the afternoon.
The countries which have suspended co-operation are those which make up the G77-China bloc of 130 nations. These range from wealthy countries such as South Korea, to some of the poorest states in the world.
The G77-China bloc speaks for developing countries in the climate change negotiation process.
Blocs representing poor countries vulnerable to climate change have been adamant that rich nations must commit to emission cuts beyond 2012 under the Kyoto Protocol.
BBC News - Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

Finally, some good news out of Copenhagen!
 

The Green Gulag has been slowed but not stopped.

This is hilarious (comment added):
Blocs representing poor (corrupt, welfare state) countries (with ample resources of their own to get themselves out of their own messes were it not for their own ineptitude and decades of the West feeding their corrupt regimes are) vulnerable to climate change (and) have been adamant that rich nations must commit to emission cuts beyond 2012 under the Kyoto Protocol (and pay them through the nose).

They forgot women and children hardest hit.

Must say, they're losing their touch.

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Blocs representing poor (corrupt, welfare state) countries (with ample resources of their own to get themselves out of their own messes were it not for their own ineptitude and decades of the West feeding their corrupt regimes are) vulnerable to climate change (and) have been adamant that rich nations must commit to emission cuts beyond 2012 under the Kyoto Protocol (and pay them through the nose).
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Oddly, it seems to me that instead of being worried about vulnerabilities to climate change, "developing countries" might better spend their time being worried about things like poverty, starvation, squalor, and just being general national failures.
 
Oddly, it seems to me that instead of being worried about vulnerabilities to climate change, "developing countries" might better spend their time being worried about things like poverty, starvation, squalor, and just being general national failures.

That would require accountability....;)
Not gonna happen......;)
 
Oddly, it seems to me that instead of being worried about vulnerabilities to climate change, "developing countries" might better spend their time being worried about things like poverty, starvation, squalor, and just being general national failures.

Job #1... stamp out their endless cesspools of corruption.
We should deny them aid until it happens. Otherwise we are just feeding the beast.

You can't get rid of it all, but they have so much to slash away it's sickening.

I had a friend that worked all over the continent for 25-years, and after listening to his stories said he should write a book about it. He said he wouldn't live long if he did. Pretty sobering. Then I asked him to write it and have it published posthumously. He died only a year later. Too bad.

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Job #1... stamp out their endless cesspools of corruption.
We should deny them aid until it happens. Otherwise we are just feeding the beast.

You can't get rid of it all, but they have so much to slash away it's sickening.

I had a friend that worked all over the continent for 25-years, and after listening to his stories said he should write a book about it. He said he wouldn't live long if he did. Pretty sobering. Then I asked him to write it and have it published posthumously. He died only a year later. Too bad.

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Cot off all foreign aid....;)
This includes any cap & trade crap to the U.N.......;)
 
"CRU director Phil Jones told Australian scientist Warwick Hughes in a 2005 email: 'Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.'"

The American Spectator : Dead Ringer

If our leader actually listened to reason this would be the reason why EVERYONE should walk out of Copenhagen

PLUG:
Please spread the word about Dr. Farid Khavari running for governor here in Florida. He is a doctor of economics with some great solutions for the economy including a North Dakota-style state bank.

Khavari for Governor - Bank of the State of Florida

Even if you don't live in Florida please understand that we need less career politicians and more academics running things.
 
"CRU director Phil Jones told Australian scientist Warwick Hughes in a 2005 email: 'Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.'"

The American Spectator : Dead Ringer

THAT statement right there, says it all.

From the True Believers of the house of Gore to the so called scientist that run this.

Did Albert Einstein demand consensus for his Theories? No, he laid down the gauntlet and said "Find what's wrong here".
 
That would require accountability....;)
Not gonna happen......;)

but isn't this opposition exactly about accountability ... and the present attempts by those industrially developed nations which agreed to sign the kyoto protocol to escape those commitments
"It has become clear that the Danish presidency - in the most undemocratic fashion - is advancing the interests of the developed countries at the expense of the balance of obligations between developed and developing countries," he told BBC Radio 4's The World at One programme.
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Last week, the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu forced a suspension after insisting that proposals to amend the UN climate convention and Kyoto Protocol be debated in full.
the underdeveloped nations rightfully resent the koyoto protocol signatories trying to step away from their previously expressed commitments to mitigate their nations' impacts on global warming
... UK Climate Secretary Ed Miliband said that for the developed world to commit to further cuts under the Kyoto Protocol would be "irresponsible for the climate".
He said it would leave some of the world's biggest emitters without targets for cutting emissions. ...
it would appear the g77 bloc has a very real concern that the reason the kyoto signees oppose public discussion of expansion of the kyoto protocol is because they have already cut a deal in the back room:
"The point is being made very loudly that African countries and the wider G77 bloc will not accept non-action on the Kyoto Protocol, and they're really afraid that a deal has been stitched up behind their backs," he told BBC News.
fundamentally, this impasse underscores the chasm between the international haves and have-nots
 
THAT statement right there, says it all.

From the True Believers of the house of Gore to the so called scientist that run this.

Did Albert Einstein demand consensus for his Theories? No, he laid down the gauntlet and said "Find what's wrong here".
Which is exactly why the now falling apart "consensus" argument was trotted out in the first place. Good science demands scrutiny and invites it, rather than mocking the same and cloaking itself in secrecy and "take our word for it" posturing. Junk science does however demand that you really not take note of all the fallacious predictions and exaggeration needed to prop the same up.;)
 
When Conservatives talk about the Leftists, "failing", this is what they mean. It's good that this conference is going to go belly up. This is the kind of failure we need.
 
the underdeveloped nations rightfully resent the koyoto protocol signatories trying to step away from their previously expressed commitments to mitigate their nations' impacts on global warming



BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Human impact on GW according to the "true believers" in this quack theory are human's existence itself.

What a crock!


j-mac
 
Job #1... stamp out their endless cesspools of corruption.
We should deny them aid until it happens. Otherwise we are just feeding the beast.

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Hell, we can't even stamp out our own corruption.:shock:
 
but isn't this opposition exactly about accountability ... and the present attempts by those industrially developed nations which agreed to sign the kyoto protocol to escape those commitments
the underdeveloped nations rightfully resent the koyoto protocol signatories trying to step away from their previously expressed commitments to mitigate their nations' impacts on global warming

it would appear the g77 bloc has a very real concern that the reason the kyoto signees oppose public discussion of expansion of the kyoto protocol is because they have already cut a deal in the back room:
fundamentally, this impasse underscores the chasm between the international haves and have-nots

The Kyoto Treaty was formed using junk science, it needs to be recinded....
It should have never been signed in the first place....;)
 
But the G77 has a point, why generate agreements that you aren't going to go along with anyways?

So before the G8 forces changes on the G77, they should lead by example.
 
What I don't get in all of this is the insistance that "developing" countries are immune from the standards. Rather the industrialized countries are hit hard with regulation while "developing" countries are left off the hook. If it's a global problem, then it's a global problem and all countries have to do something about it. As it currently stands, none of this actually addresses the "problem" of global warming or environmental effects. But rather pushes jobs and manufacturing out of countries held to tight standards and into countries whom are exempt. The result would be more pollution, not less; and thus nothing is accomplished. If we view this as a global problem which must be addressed, then the standards need to be applied equally to all.
 
We can only hope that the excessive greed of the undeveloping "developing nations" is too much for the power brokers at Copenhagen. The fraud of AGW, now becoming more exposed by climategate, must have these poor nations frantic that they must get whatever bogus concessions that they can get their hands onto as fast as possible, before the AGW golden goose is further exposed.
 
And the developing nations reply that "you guys did it to on your way to being rich but you say we can't do it because you wrecked the environment?"

It is the developed nations removing the path to development from the countries trying to become developed. It is hypocritical, elitism, and overbearing. Without the developed nations taking the lead and at least showing some effort to cut their emissions, then why should the developing nations go a higher cost route to become developed nations? It is just one more barrier to become a developed nation. And when you through in the growing evidence that this is "fake science" then it becomes a tool to keep the little guys down while continuing to grab it all for the big guys.

So look at it from their perspective and see that it sure seems like another way to keep the poor nations in the dirt and under the heels of the rich nations.
 
What I don't get in all of this is the insistance that "developing" countries are immune from the standards. Rather the industrialized countries are hit hard with regulation while "developing" countries are left off the hook. If it's a global problem, then it's a global problem and all countries have to do something about it. As it currently stands, none of this actually addresses the "problem" of global warming or environmental effects. But rather pushes jobs and manufacturing out of countries held to tight standards and into countries whom are exempt. The result would be more pollution, not less; and thus nothing is accomplished. If we view this as a global problem which must be addressed, then the standards need to be applied equally to all.

It's the whole redistribution of wealth thing. It's what global warming is erally all about.
 
And the developing nations reply that "you guys did it to on your way to being rich but you say we can't do it because you wrecked the environment?"

It is the developed nations removing the path to development from the countries trying to become developed. It is hypocritical, elitism, and overbearing. Without the developed nations taking the lead and at least showing some effort to cut their emissions, then why should the developing nations go a higher cost route to become developed nations? It is just one more barrier to become a developed nation. And when you through in the growing evidence that this is "fake science" then it becomes a tool to keep the little guys down while continuing to grab it all for the big guys.

So look at it from their perspective and see that it sure seems like another way to keep the poor nations in the dirt and under the heels of the rich nations.

I agree to some extent. However, I think that the bottom line is to bring us all down to banana republic status. We can all become peasants while the UN appoints our kings and queens. I only hope that the "little guys" cause enough of an uproar to derail the whole movement.
 
Update:

Developing nations ended their boycott of climate change negotiations in Copenhagen after finding a solution to their dispute with industrialized nations, an official with the European Union said Monday...

Developing countries, including China and India, brought the negotiations to a halt earlier in the day with their demand that rich countries offer much deeper cuts in their greenhouse gas emissions.

Climate talks resume after hours-long boycott - Climate Change- msnbc.com
 
I only hope that the "little guys" cause enough of an uproar to derail the whole movement.

Speaking of little guys...

Global Warming protest:
 

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