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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    not in the last couple of thousand years that i can find, ice shelves tend to be pretty tough

    From an Australian source.


    Ice expanding in much of Antarctica Eastern coast getting colder Western section remains a concern

    ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

    The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

    Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.



    However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

    East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades".


    Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away | News.com.au

    Hmmm....Seems to run contrary to hyper fear that the GW crowd likes to put out, don't you think?


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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From an Australian source.
    Hmmm....Seems to run contrary to hyper fear that the GW crowd likes to put out, don't you think?


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    yes it does, interesting article.

    i love the fact they quote peter garret, he should've stayed in his band.

    i've done some further research, and now i'm even more confused about GW

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    yes it does, interesting article.

    i love the fact they quote peter garret, he should've stayed in his band.

    i've done some further research, and now i'm even more confused about GW


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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why do newbies always whip out these b.s. denialist arguments -- like we've never seen them before.
    Sorry, but the RAW DATA is speaking against any concern... for the recorded times in human history, the hottest periods coincide with things like 'the dawn of civilization', 'the renaissaince', the 'industrial revolution' (which has been the greatest creation of wealth for the middle class)

    Mcfly -- stop. We've been there, done that.
    Why is the only response to RAW DATA only met with a 'sit down and shut up' type of response?

    There's a chunk of ice the size of Manhattan heading toward Australia. Hello? Not good.
    It's ok, it'll melt, then the arctice will create a new ice shelf come wintertime.... nice thing this 'climate change' it gets hotter in the summer and colder in the winter. Since it's currently summertime in the southern hemisphere, it's not really a surprise to me that there's some ice melting.

    Quick, go copy/paste the denialist explanation for why that's all perfectly normal. Big chunks of ice always float around the ocean.
    Um... no need to 'copy/paste' anything... the legitimate points NEVER get addressed... to the extent that when people pushing the 'alarmist agenda' get asked independant question, they are shown the door out of the PUBLIC meetings.

    The fact of the matter is that the main truth about the climate is that it's always changing... there are forces of nature at work that are beyond the understanding of the science. The entire climate is built on 'carbon cycles', 'water cycles', 'solar cycles', among countless other cycles that we are not even really aware of that are all having a certain impact on the climate.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Global awrming will cause it to melt before it reaches Australia. Don't worry.
    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    have you seen the difference between the arctic and antarctic, if not let me fill you in, the arctic is just lumps of ice floating around the ocean, which is what the titanic hit, antarctica, on the other hand is a continent that is surrounded by ice shelves, these ice shelves usually stay stuck to the continent, but when a giant one breaks free and heads for Western Australia, it may be a bit of an oddity


    It may be 'odd' in that it's not an occurance that happens every year. Think about it, since there is land mass under antarctica, the firs melting would be frozen to the grond, which would give it a certain 'strength'... pile on a few hundred (or thousand) years worth of compacted ice/snow, then it might not take that much to 'dislodge' that ice for it to float free in the ocean, I mean after a relative hot spell.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    not in the last couple of thousand years that i can find, ice shelves tend to be pretty tough
    The earths climate has been warming for the past couple hundred years, though that warming trend seems to have hit a peak for the moment... about a thousand years ago, according to the raw data, it was hotter then it is currently. possibly why the ice shelves broke off around that time. Nothing terrible happened then.... actually, the rennaissance was going on around that time.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    All countries are developing countries, just at different stages. Everyone should be willing to accept the same standards. We all breath the same air.

    The shortsightedness of people is shocking.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post



    The earths climate has been warming for the past couple hundred years, though that warming trend seems to have hit a peak for the moment... about a thousand years ago, according to the raw data, it was hotter then it is currently. possibly why the ice shelves broke off around that time. Nothing terrible happened then.... actually, the rennaissance was going on around that time.
    see, and thats one of the reasons i'm confused, if the earth is going through cyclical warming, why are the ice shelves growing, which is stated in the link j-mac gave me

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    I don't know how far off the GW topic I'm going but has anyone (Scientists or otherwise) looked into volcanic activity (or lack thereof). I watched a show on the History channel that was talking about one massive volcanic fissure in Iceland creating worldwide climate changes in the late 1700's. Laki I think is where it's located or what it's called. Pretty interesting to see how Earth changes its own climate.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    All countries are developing countries, just at different stages. Everyone should be willing to accept the same standards. We all breath the same air.

    The shortsightedness of people is shocking.
    Yes, because equality in life has always been such a success! I mean look at countries that impose equality! The USSR, China, Cuba and NK come to mind! Everyone is equal comrades!
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes, because equality in life has always been such a success! I mean look at countries that impose equality! The USSR, China, Cuba and NK come to mind! Everyone is equal comrades!
    your statement is flawed, one cannot impose equality without having power over others.
    and they just used the label communism to justify dictatorships.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    see, and thats one of the reasons i'm confused, if the earth is going through cyclical warming, why are the ice shelves growing, which is stated in the link j-mac gave me
    The earth WAS going through a cyclical warming.... now its going through a cyclical cooling, resulting in growing ice at the poles.

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