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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    THAT statement right there, says it all.

    From the True Believers of the house of Gore to the so called scientist that run this.

    Did Albert Einstein demand consensus for his Theories? No, he laid down the gauntlet and said "Find what's wrong here".
    Which is exactly why the now falling apart "consensus" argument was trotted out in the first place. Good science demands scrutiny and invites it, rather than mocking the same and cloaking itself in secrecy and "take our word for it" posturing. Junk science does however demand that you really not take note of all the fallacious predictions and exaggeration needed to prop the same up.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    When Conservatives talk about the Leftists, "failing", this is what they mean. It's good that this conference is going to go belly up. This is the kind of failure we need.
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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the underdeveloped nations rightfully resent the koyoto protocol signatories trying to step away from their previously expressed commitments to mitigate their nations' impacts on global warming


    BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Human impact on GW according to the "true believers" in this quack theory are human's existence itself.

    What a crock!


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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Job #1... stamp out their endless cesspools of corruption.
    We should deny them aid until it happens. Otherwise we are just feeding the beast.

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    Hell, we can't even stamp out our own corruption.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but isn't this opposition exactly about accountability ... and the present attempts by those industrially developed nations which agreed to sign the kyoto protocol to escape those commitments
    the underdeveloped nations rightfully resent the koyoto protocol signatories trying to step away from their previously expressed commitments to mitigate their nations' impacts on global warming

    it would appear the g77 bloc has a very real concern that the reason the kyoto signees oppose public discussion of expansion of the kyoto protocol is because they have already cut a deal in the back room:
    fundamentally, this impasse underscores the chasm between the international haves and have-nots
    The Kyoto Treaty was formed using junk science, it needs to be recinded....
    It should have never been signed in the first place....

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    But the G77 has a point, why generate agreements that you aren't going to go along with anyways?

    So before the G8 forces changes on the G77, they should lead by example.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    What I don't get in all of this is the insistance that "developing" countries are immune from the standards. Rather the industrialized countries are hit hard with regulation while "developing" countries are left off the hook. If it's a global problem, then it's a global problem and all countries have to do something about it. As it currently stands, none of this actually addresses the "problem" of global warming or environmental effects. But rather pushes jobs and manufacturing out of countries held to tight standards and into countries whom are exempt. The result would be more pollution, not less; and thus nothing is accomplished. If we view this as a global problem which must be addressed, then the standards need to be applied equally to all.
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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    We can only hope that the excessive greed of the undeveloping "developing nations" is too much for the power brokers at Copenhagen. The fraud of AGW, now becoming more exposed by climategate, must have these poor nations frantic that they must get whatever bogus concessions that they can get their hands onto as fast as possible, before the AGW golden goose is further exposed.
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    And the developing nations reply that "you guys did it to on your way to being rich but you say we can't do it because you wrecked the environment?"

    It is the developed nations removing the path to development from the countries trying to become developed. It is hypocritical, elitism, and overbearing. Without the developed nations taking the lead and at least showing some effort to cut their emissions, then why should the developing nations go a higher cost route to become developed nations? It is just one more barrier to become a developed nation. And when you through in the growing evidence that this is "fake science" then it becomes a tool to keep the little guys down while continuing to grab it all for the big guys.

    So look at it from their perspective and see that it sure seems like another way to keep the poor nations in the dirt and under the heels of the rich nations.

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    Re: Copenhagen climate summit negotiations 'suspended'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What I don't get in all of this is the insistance that "developing" countries are immune from the standards. Rather the industrialized countries are hit hard with regulation while "developing" countries are left off the hook. If it's a global problem, then it's a global problem and all countries have to do something about it. As it currently stands, none of this actually addresses the "problem" of global warming or environmental effects. But rather pushes jobs and manufacturing out of countries held to tight standards and into countries whom are exempt. The result would be more pollution, not less; and thus nothing is accomplished. If we view this as a global problem which must be addressed, then the standards need to be applied equally to all.
    It's the whole redistribution of wealth thing. It's what global warming is erally all about.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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