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    Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    As part of the new American counterinsurgency strategy in Afghanistan, soldiers and Marines must work first to protect the Afghan population. Given the choice between killing the enemy or risking civilian lives, they have been willing to let the enemy go.


    Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops : NPR

    How in the blasted heck are we supposed to achieve anything when we have such stupid ROE's as this?


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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    I have a friend who is some kind of special ops guy, he says it has been a problem since day one....

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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I have a friend who is some kind of special ops guy, he says it has been a problem since day one....

    It's foolish, and makes dear leaders words ring hollow when he speaks of going after OBL or AQ. How's he going to do that when he has rules like this in place, and the enemy hides like cowards among the innocent?


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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    These rules of engagement are a product of the democratic party and are worse than useless. The really bad part is they'll result in the needless deaths of american service men and women. It's just a crying shame we couldn't have given them the kind of government they deserved instead of the one we have. I once wore the uniform of this country's navy. That's not something I'd do for the present democratic party regime.
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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    We just tried three of our finest soldiers for giving a terrorist a bloody lip.

    We are no longer willing to do what is necessary to win a war. We haven't since Nagasaki.

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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    WRONG

    The rule are from Karsai not General McCrystal and there are 12 in all. however good luck finding a complete list of all 12. I has searched more than 20 sited to locate a complete list to no avail.

    NEVER and I mean never trust what you hear on NPR to be either accurate or honest. They clearly blame these rules on the General then use a snippet of an interview to bolster their claim.

    Why? I can only speculate that it is to cover the fact that Obama agreed to follow these rules and NPR wants to be able at some point to come back ant point the finger of blame for needless deaths away from Obama.

    I know some are going to claim this is a conspiracy theory. BULL SHIITE. This is a typical political maneuver to set the stage for the future.

    Here is the only portion of the list I have been able to locate and these 7 are widely reported. We can only guess what other dumb ass rules Obama agreed to.

    • No night or surprise searches.

    • Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.

    • ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.

    • U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.

    • U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.

    • Only women can search women.

    • Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.

    As an old hand at political maneuvers and strategy I can assure you that Obama has taken a back seat to Karsai when his course of action at this point should be to dictate to Karsai what the rules are going to be, and that he Karsai are going to live by them or he will be replaced with extreme prodigious.

    No nice yes you are right but our troops security should come first. Rules that attempt to limit civilian casualties sound wonderful and make good press but they play into and bolster the strategies of insurgents.

    History shows us that and unfortunate fact of war in the last 100 years that civilians die in larger numbers than uniformed troops and it is sad, but it is in part because of dumb ass rule of engagement, lack of total commitment to all out victory and political interference in military matters where politicians need to stay the hell out.

    Limited military action is a euphemism for we we don't don't care how many of our people get killed or if we win or cut and run, which is the Democrat track record.

    We have pi$$ poor leadership on both sides and down the middle of the isles and in both Houses of Congress.

    Democrat Reid puts political one upsmanship ahead of either reality and or the facts.
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    With any luck next year after the elections we can say about Reid that he has lost.
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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We just tried three of our finest soldiers for giving a terrorist a bloody lip.

    We are no longer willing to do what is necessary to win a war. We haven't since Nagasaki.
    This is a lie! We are going to try 3 soldiers for lying about their actions in an official investigation, and for obstructing justice. When you start posting honestly, and stop being so over the top dramatic, then maybe people might take you seriously.
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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    I see Mr. Obama and this Congress haven't taken the lesson of Vietnam to heart. You can't micro-manage a war plan and simple. This is a War there should only be the Geneva Accord to follow nothing more.

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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I see Mr. Obama and this Congress haven't taken the lesson of Vietnam to heart. You can't micro-manage a war plan and simple. This is a War there should only be the Geneva Accord to follow nothing more.
    The thing about Vietnam was that you had soldiers ripping through villages to kill the enemy, with no regard for innocent villagers. That in turn caused the population to turn on us, making it harder, maybe impossible, to achieve victory in Vietnam.

    These new rules of engagement were thought out with the lessons of Vietnam well in mind.

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    Re: Rules Of Engagement Are A Dilemma For U.S. Troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post

    • No night or surprise searches.

    • Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.

    • ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.

    • U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.

    • U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.

    • Only women can search women.

    • Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.
    Time to pack our **** and leave. This isn't going to work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is a lie! We are going to try 3 soldiers for lying about their actions in an official investigation, and for obstructing justice. When you start posting honestly, and stop being so over the top dramatic, then maybe people might take you seriously.
    And they lied because they were afraid of being charged with a war crime, so he isn't lieing about three servicemen being tried for giving a prisoner a fat lip.
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