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    Re: Dems To Raise Debt Ceiling by 1.8 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Mission transitioning doesn't require rebuilding of the military. We didn't get rid of any tanks, or artillery. We only re-trained those soldiers to perform an infantry mission. Bascially, it was fine tuning, because everyone receives fundemental infantry training in BCT (Basic Combat Training).
    lol. I know better then to discuss things that require brains with you.

    Still the notion that changing from conventional war to asymmetrical combat is "fine tuning" is hilarious.
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    Re: Dems To Raise Debt Ceiling by 1.8 Trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    lol. I know better then to discuss things that require brains with you.

    Still the notion that changing from conventional war to asymmetrical combat is "fine tuning" is hilarious.
    From your vast experience int he military, educate us on operational transition and what changes must be made to basic infantry tactics to fit the new assymetrical battlefield. We all look forward to your treatise on the subject.
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    Re: Dems To Raise Debt Ceiling by 1.8 Trillion

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    Which in many ways is better after the Clinton cuts. With fewer assets and troops to refocus, it's cheaper and faster. When you have massive equipment and training issues, it's much harder to refocus. Generally it's easier to rebuild a smaller force specifically geared towards a new purpose and build upon that then to turn a huge force towards something very alien to it. Ironically, Clinton's cuts would, had Iraq not occurred, made Rummy's RMA much easier.
    This is complete nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. Manpower alone hurt us considerably. Stock on-hand for replacement parts and repairs also hurt us as the TOE meant less. The tools were the same, aside from not utilizing Armor that broadly. Rummy was a bad choice for SecDef.

    Say what? We are not the world's police. Under that argument, China and Russia are threats to themselves. Do you want to invade then?

    Not in 2003. The massacre of the Shiites would have been a correct humanitarian intervention.
    Rather than repeat myself, I'll refer you to this thread on the topic: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...just-wars.html


    But we did know the Intel was very shaky and came from unreliable sources. The Chezks flagged curveball as a lying drunk. Chalabi was known to be unreliable. Furthermore, many inspectors did say that Iraq didn't have. The Intel was crap and we knew it.
    That's speculation.


    Are you including other Bush era programs that are being funded under Obama? Granted that does make Obama partially responsible.

    CBO Projected Deficit, by Source | The Big Picture

    Not entirely sure what that extra $300 billion is from.
    The only thing I see listed is TARP and as you point out, Obama is partially responsible. The rest is all Obama: Freddie and Fannie and ARRA and the additional forecasted deficit. That chart is dated, by the way.


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    Re: Dems To Raise Debt Ceiling by 1.8 Trillion

    I'm still waiting for OC to give us her run down on how things should be rebuilt. I have a feeling that we'll be waiting for a very long time for that one.
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