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    Re: ACLU loses a quarter of its annual donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    James Madison believed Separation of Church and State was ordained by the Blessed Savior.
    If your going to cite Jame's Madision I suggest you might want to learn some things about our 4th President and the Father of the Bill of Rights before you make such posted.

    I suggest you go and read what he wrote in the Federalist Papers and then maybe we can have a discussion but I doult that even.

    Oh and on a off topic subject still waiting for you to tell us what your MOS and were you were Station as a Special force person and what SF did you belong to again. (What you think we've forgot this )

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    Re: ACLU loses a quarter of its annual donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    First, you need to show us the words in the document that you believe combines civil authority and religious authority.
    I never made that claim.

    You are just trying to dodge the fact you made a claim that is purely false.


    I said Separation of Church and State was not in the Constitution.

    You denied this reality.

    Don't try to change the argument because you made a laughably false claim.
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    Re: ACLU loses a quarter of its annual donations

    aarp is down by similar proportions

    the ama is gonna see a revolt

    acorn is broken

    oslo's a joke

    east anglia's a liar

    it's the climate---brrr

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    Re: ACLU loses a quarter of its annual donations

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post

    I said Separation of Church and State was not in the Constitution.
    Actually yes it is and if you go back one page and read my post you will find where it is located.

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    Re: ACLU loses a quarter of its annual donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Alright since all of you keep asking about the US Constitution showing seperation of Church and State.(Some of you really need to go back to US Civic 101)
    And you need to actually read what you are quoting.

    The 1st Adm is the item you all are looking for to be more to the point it's The Establishment Clause of the 1st Adm. I suggest some of you go read Everson v.Board of Eduction (1947)
    Lets look at the direct wording

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Nothing in there says "separation of church and state"

    Strike one.

    Now for the Establishment Clause

    Clause in the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbidding Congress from establishing a state religion. It prevents the passage of any law that gives preference to or forces belief in any one religion. It is paired with a clause that prohibits limiting the free expression of religion.

    Again, no Separation of Church and State wording of any kind. It is very specific that it refers to establishing a specific state religion such as Anglican or Catholicism.

    Strike Two

    Also I suggest you go and read what Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptist Association of Conn. after they complained about Religion is considered as the first object of legislation.
    And if you actually knew the history of Jefferson, you would know why he wrote to the Baptists in the first place. They were considered with establishing a single Church like England

    The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution begins with the phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." This phrase is referred to as the establishment clause. Although Europe had been torn apart by religious conflict for almost the entirety of recorded history, the establishment clause was most likely motivated by hostility towards, and suspicion of, the Church of England. Until 1784, there was no Anglican or Episcopal bishop in the United States. This meant that any priest belonging to the Anglican tradition--which was the official state religion in the Virginia, Georgia, and Carolina colonies--had been ordained in London and served at the pleasure of English bishops loyal to the Crown. By the time the American Revolution came about, Anglican priests were understandably held in high suspicion and the framers of the Constitution were reticent to create anything resembling an official Church of England in the United States. This popular sentiment made it easy to ratify the establishment clause. In an 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, then-president Jefferson wrote:

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.


    So, not only is this a letter and not part of the Constitution, it was specifically wrote to address the fears of some denominations of Christianity had that were would not be a denomination above all others like England. It had nothing to do with eliminating all aspects and teachings of religion from the state.

    That is why the Supreme Court walls themselves can refer to God and its why the 10 commandments is allowed on state grounds in multiple cases.

    Strike three, you're out.
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    Have you read Everson it clear states that the US Govn must have seperation of Church and State also I suggest you go and re-read The Establishment Clause

    What does the first line say again,Clause in the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbidding Congress from establishing a state religion. It prevents the passage of any law that gives preference to or forces belief in any one religion. It is paired with a clause that prohibits limiting the free expression of religion.

    This clearly States that there is a Seperation of Church and State and the US Supreme Court has used this line in rulings.

    Also no your wrong the letter that Jefferson sent was in responce to a letter that was sent to him by the folks from Conn.

    Also if you have notice the 10 Commandment have been removed by all Local and State Buildings or did you miss that ruling a few years back was all over the Drive By News.

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    then our money, among other things, is unconstitutional

    IN GOD WE TRUST

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    Re: ACLU loses a quarter of its annual donations

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    then our money, among other things, is unconstitutional

    IN GOD WE TRUST
    It has been said that the In God We Trust is in violation of the 1st Adm. and that Ike should have have never made it happen. My personal feelings are this it is a direct violation of the 1st Adm because it is a direct violation of my right to choice.

    I would not be surprise if we see this removed with-in 20 Years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Have you read Everson it clear states that the US Govn must have seperation of Church and State also I suggest you go and re-read The Establishment Clause

    What does the first line say again,Clause in the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbidding Congress from establishing a state religion. It prevents the passage of any law that gives preference to or forces belief in any one religion. It is paired with a clause that prohibits limiting the free expression of religion.

    This clearly States that there is a Seperation of Church and State and the US Supreme Court has used this line in rulings.
    What you are doing is interpreting the first amendment to conclude the message is Separation of Church and State. That is NOT a literal quote.

    Why can't you simply admit this?

    What I said was 100% accurate. The wording "separation of church and state" is NOT in the Constitution. It is interpreted that way by some like you. That by no means magically makes it appear verbatim in the Constitution.

    Also no your wrong the letter that Jefferson sent was in responce to a letter that was sent to him by the folks from Conn.
    What are you talking about? Thats exactly what I said. I never said Jefferson started the conversation.

    I quote again:

    The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution begins with the phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." This phrase is referred to as the establishment clause. Although Europe had been torn apart by religious conflict for almost the entirety of recorded history, the establishment clause was most likely motivated by hostility towards, and suspicion of, the Church of England. Until 1784, there was no Anglican or Episcopal bishop in the United States. This meant that any priest belonging to the Anglican tradition--which was the official state religion in the Virginia, Georgia, and Carolina colonies--had been ordained in London and served at the pleasure of English bishops loyal to the Crown. By the time the American Revolution came about, Anglican priests were understandably held in high suspicion and the framers of the Constitution were reticent to create anything resembling an official Church of England in the United States. This popular sentiment made it easy to ratify the establishment clause. In an 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, then-president Jefferson wrote:

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.


    Also if you have notice the 10 Commandment have been removed by all Local and State Buildings or did you miss that ruling a few years back was all over the Drive By News.
    Wrong again.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that a Ten Commandments monument outside the Texas state Capitol can stay

    Van Orden v. Perry, the high court ruled 5-4 that a 6-foot monument on the grounds of the Texas state Capitol, positioned among other religious and historical displays, was a tribute to the nation’s religious and legal heritage and did not constitute government endorsement of religion


    Split decision on Ten Commandments | ReligionLink

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    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    The ACLU has always been a wretched organization founded by far-left radicals & Communists with the objectives of dismantling the Constitution & providing legal counsel for Communist subversives & their sympathizers.

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