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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    While perhaps it would be quite easy for me to take a cynical view of the speech, and cite examples where it appears Obama may be trying to seek political points, and particularly serve the global warming agenda through a long range equation of how it promotes world peace, including asserting it as overwhelming consensus scientific fact, I would prefer to take his words with an objective view and note the concepts contained in them and how much impact they could have from a global stage delivered to all nations in the world.

    It is obviously premature to give such an award to someone with little by way of accomplishment towards peace. Obama definitely compensated for this by offering three ways to promote world peace.

    Creating stronger ties between nations to deter the unscrupulous actions of regimes, such as nuclear proliferation and genocide, in unison - acting as an internatioonal juggernaut, is essential in persuading such despots to practice restraint.

    Insistence on human rights in all nations is vital to allow the varying religious followings to co-exist, where it is all to obvious the repercussions where such intolerance exists.

    Investing in a nation's education, agriculture and overall economies is also a vital ingredient to long range peace, evidenced by our failure to do so in Afghanistan earlier.

    All in all, it was a profound speech and may well be an important page in history. Obama's intellect went beyond the reading of words from a teleprompter. He understands the motives behind our actions in the middle east and beyond, and shed more light on these areas for me and the world. His leadership showed in this speech will hopefully bring greater cooperation from other countries in our efforts in Afghanistan, and thus bring our troops home sooner. Moreover, with stronger effort by all nations towards the ideals he covered, future situations like the one in Afghanistan will be dramatically reduced.
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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    He understands the motives behind our actions in the middle east and beyond
    unfortunately, were that true, he wouldn't have spent so much of his first year in every possible international venue apologizing for everything american

    he wouldn't have pledged personal diplomacy with ahmedinejad

    he would have offered support for the popular uprisings in the streets of tehran, both in june and this month

    he's STILL silent about the freedom movements inside iran

    he wouldn't allow himself so humiliatingly to be seen as the plaything of putin and hu

    he wouldn't have appeared so indecisive when it comes to afghanistan

    he wouldn't be totally incoherent there---changing his rhetoric from "exit" to "conditions based" to "transition" to "glide path"

    he wouldn't have disputed with his commanders and defense secretary in public

    he wouldn't have leaked so many contrary resolutions

    he wouldn't be trying to get at al qaeda in pakistan by taking on the taliban next door

    you can't divorce the words from the man

    but i'll grant you, for what they're worth---they were good words

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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    We have a real enigma here. We have a president who won the Nobel Peace Prize, but won't sign the declaration against land mines. I guess you could say that Obama's entire presidency will be known as an oxymoron.
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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    Obama is attempting to please everyone and in turn is pissing everyone off. By attempting to appease the insignificant far left wing of his party he was begining to alienate the rest of the Dems. But this speech shows a different side of Obama. A hawkish side if you will. Perhaps he is learning on the job that the world is a **** hole and as the leader of the free world he has a responsibility to his nation and the world to continue underwriting global security.
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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    I just find it ironic that some observers hope this will solidify international support for a war...he's receiving a Nobel "Peace" Prize. Now...I'm sorry...had this been a Bush-like award winner, the Left and media would comment on what a war monger the President is speaking of war even while accepting an honor for peace.

    I happen to agree with much of what he said. I realize it was read off of a teleprompter, I realize it may have not been sincere, and I didn't understand the date for withdrawl and what that means. He's the only one that could have made that acceptance speech as far as the media and Democrat Party are concerned, do we all realize that?
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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I just find it ironic that some observers hope this will solidify international support for a war...he's receiving a Nobel "Peace" Prize. Now...I'm sorry...had this been a Bush-like award winner, the Left and media would comment on what a war monger the President is speaking of war even while accepting an honor for peace.
    Yeah but the general idea of Obama's Afghanistan plan is to end the war. Of course that is debatable, but it is better than the inconclusiveness of conservative views on the war.


    Also I don't understand some of the criticism. I thought a lot of people accepted the fact that Obama wanted more troops in Afghanistan before he was elected. Now they are complaining?


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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post

    Also I don't understand some of the criticism. I thought a lot of people accepted the fact that Obama wanted more troops in Afghanistan before he was elected. Now they are complaining?
    This is a question I have asked before. How is Obama suddenly hawkish when he ran on a platform of increased emphasis on Afghanistan?
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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Yeah but the general idea of Obama's Afghanistan plan is to end the war. Of course that is debatable, but it is better than the inconclusiveness of conservative views on the war.
    I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the inconclusiveness of conservative views on war....and being a Conservative, I find that odd. Reality reveals quite clearly that Conservatives share the conclusive view on war, perhaps you missed the Bush Admin's insistence on remaining in Iraq for example...rather than prematurely pulling out. I stand rather confused on your comment here, care to explain?

    Also I don't understand some of the criticism. I thought a lot of people accepted the fact that Obama wanted more troops in Afghanistan before he was elected. Now they are complaining?
    I think you'll find many supporting this endeavor wholeheartedly. Not sure why ot took 6 months to make a decision, not sure why a date was given, and am flabbergasted at the deafening silence coming from the anti-war Left so enraged for the last 6 years.

    And promise you this. Republicans won't play funding games. We won't set timelines and benchmarks. No 'war is lost' statements, no absolute treachery and treason from the Hill against the Commander in Chief. Should there be any, I would hope my fellow Con/repubs would throttle down, the Congress doesn't wage war, the President does.

    Mind you, I'll take this post I'm replying to as a joke, you would call asking for clarity "criticism", I'd like to know what you called the Democrat Congress from 2006-2008 while two wars were being waged. Two wars voted on and for by so many in that same Congress.
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    Re: President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize acception speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is a question I have asked before. How is Obama suddenly hawkish when he ran on a platform of increased emphasis on Afghanistan?
    Who is criticizing Obama for being hawkish? Who from the Right is voicing their opposition specifically to the increase in troop strength?

    Where is your anti-war Left is the question. Where are those with give peace a chance and hope and change negotiation? Where are those who voiced that this solution only served to create more terrorists? That this solution only caused them to hate us more? Where is the outrage when Obama is launching hellfire missiles from Predator Drones into Pakistan killing civilians?

    I think the criticism of his foreign policy that you're obviously missing focuses on the following.

    1) His decision to bring enemy combatants into the US and try them in NY
    2) His lack of timely decision making such as his decisions in Afghanistan
    3) The obvious fact that he's following Bush's policies concerning Iraq, the Patriot Act, and rights for prisoners abroad. Without a sound from your aisle.

    The silence from the Left is deafening regarding these three issues.
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