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Attacked Asian Students Afraid To Go to School

jallman said:
I imagine if you eliminated the basketball courts, the huge rec rooms, the libraries and made the cells slightly smaller, you could probably squeeze about 150 more cells in the space.

Stop imprisoning minor offenses that are nonviolent like marijuana possession (hell, just legalize marijuana and eliminate that whole underground trade) and make prison sentences 1/4 shorter but make up for it by making prison real prison again (sort of like the Quaker prisons).

I imagine those small things might balance it out.
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You want to get rid of libraries? Rehabilitation should be the point of any prison program. I want these people, when they get out, to be able to be functioning members of society. If he wants to educate himself, by all means!
 
the makeout hobo said:
You want to get rid of libraries? Rehabilitation should be the point of any prison program. I want these people, when they get out, to be able to be functioning members of society. If he wants to educate himself, by all means!
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And yet these are often the first prison facilities to go. In California they had to shut down a vocational school to make room for more prisoners. Sad, sad how the warehousing era has ruined the system.

we need more alternates to prison.

Public humiliation to some degree for most crimes, more fitting punishments (i.e. Don't send potheads to jail when we have to release violent offenders early), and more vocational training. If you're in prison, getting a GED isn't going to make that prison record look much more appealing. However, if we offer specific training and do a work-release program, then you'll most likely see a lower rate of recidivism coupled with a smaller stigma placed on those convicts.
 
the makeout hobo said:
What, that society can try to better itself? I disagree.
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If you're talking about the black community, then yes, it can. If you mean that they can only do it with the help of Libbo do-gooders, then no, that will enver happen.
 
apdst said:
If you're talking about the black community, then yes, it can. If you mean that they can only do it with the help of Libbo do-gooders, then no, that will enver happen.
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Did I ever say I was talking about the black community exclusively, or "they can only do it with the help of libbo do-gooders"?
 
EpicDude86 said:
And yet these are often the first prison facilities to go. In California they had to shut down a vocational school to make room for more prisoners. Sad, sad how the warehousing era has ruined the system.

we need more alternates to prison.

Public humiliation to some degree for most crimes, more fitting punishments (i.e. Don't send potheads to jail when we have to release violent offenders early), and more vocational training. If you're in prison, getting a GED isn't going to make that prison record look much more appealing. However, if we offer specific training and do a work-release program, then you'll most likely see a lower rate of recidivism coupled with a smaller stigma placed on those convicts.
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Totally. Teach them trades. Give them actual skills and prepare them for actual work they'd be able to do. I wouldn't even object if they have to pay the system back later on.
 
the makeout hobo said:
Totally. Teach them trades. Give them actual skills and prepare them for actual work they'd be able to do. I wouldn't even object if they have to pay the system back later on.
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You know how long that ****'s been tried and it hasn't worked? God, gimme a break!

How 'bout, instead, we teach some work ethic? Some self pride and determination? Practice some tough love and tell them that there will be no more mailbox money?
 
apdst said:
You know how long that ****'s been tried and it hasn't worked? God, gimme a break!
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Some convicts are just people who did stupid **** and need an education to give them a viable skill besides stealing or running drugs...

apdst said:
How 'bout, instead, we teach some work ethic? Some self pride and determination? Practice some tough love and tell them that there will be no more mailbox money?
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If we can work this in, all the better. But again, if they aren't going to want vocational training, they certainly won't want work ethic, self pride, or determination rammed down their throats :lol:

Though I think conscripting criminals is a workable idea. A penal legion...mmmmmmmmmm Just like the Last Chancers...

:lol: Apdst, you might like this:

Penal Legions are...forces consisting entirely of convicted criminals, debtors, liberals and other social transgressors.1
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Penal Legion - Lexicanum

Ok, geek out over.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Some convicts are just people who did stupid **** and need an education to give them a viable skill besides stealing or running drugs...
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Some are, but after they do stupid **** 5+ times, it's time to go to the gas chamber.



If we can work this in, all the better. But again, if they aren't going to want vocational training, they certainly won't want work ethic, self pride, or determination rammed down their throats :lol:
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You're putting the cart before the horse.

Though I think conscripting criminals is a workable idea. A penal legion...mmmmmmmmmm Just like the Last Chancers...
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An American Foreign Legion would be just the ticket.
 
apdst said:
You know how long that ****'s been tried and it hasn't worked? God, gimme a break!

How 'bout, instead, we teach some work ethic? Some self pride and determination? Practice some tough love and tell them that there will be no more mailbox money?
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How are you going to teach them that?
 
apdst said:
Some are, but after they do stupid **** 5+ times, it's time to go to the gas chamber.
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You advocate capital punishment for things other than murder and treason? And can you honestly say our system is giving people concrete skills they can put to use when they get out? I'm not talking about a GED, I'm talking about things like knowing how to do construction or something else they can put to use outside of prison.
 
the makeout hobo said:
You advocate capital punishment for things other than murder and treason? And can you honestly say our system is giving people concrete skills they can put to use when they get out? I'm not talking about a GED, I'm talking about things like knowing how to do construction or something else they can put to use outside of prison.
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Some people are inteachable. Career criminals who have spent more time in jail than out should be exterminated at some point.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Some convicts are just people who did stupid **** and need an education to give them a viable skill besides stealing or running drugs...
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I have no objection to a graduated prison sentence with lighter crimes being placed at more boot camp type prisons and the violent and sex crimes being placed in something like hard labor camps. Perhaps even an intermediate prison between the two.

I see one of the biggest problems with prison being the placement of violent and hardened criminals with people who just did something stupid. I strongly believe that prisons can create criminal minds in the lesser offenders and then you just have a worse problem than a burglar.

However, repeat offense of any kind should warrant a graduation to the next level of severity. I figure if you gave a burglar an education and training and he still breaks and enters, you are dealing with a criminal and it's safe to say that no amount of education is going to change that.
 
the makeout hobo said:
You advocate capital punishment for things other than murder and treason? And can you honestly say our system is giving people concrete skills they can put to use when they get out? I'm not talking about a GED, I'm talking about things like knowing how to do construction or something else they can put to use outside of prison.
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Sounds good, but they won't do it. That involves work ethic, discipline, integrity, all the things they weren't taught at home aren't about to adopt now.
 
the makeout hobo said:
You advocate capital punishment for things other than murder and treason? And can you honestly say our system is giving people concrete skills they can put to use when they get out? I'm not talking about a GED, I'm talking about things like knowing how to do construction or something else they can put to use outside of prison.
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That is a great point hobo. The answer is NO they aren't being taught the essentials of marketable skills in the workplace. This is gone to the wayside to make room for course study like 'diversity studies', and 'the world and you'.....No lie, both are courses at my sons high school. What happened to shop, and auto repair?


j-mac
 
jallman said:
I have no objection to a graduated prison sentence with lighter crimes being placed at more boot camp type prisons and the violent and sex crimes being placed in something like hard labor camps. Perhaps even an intermediate prison between the two.

I see one of the biggest problems with prison being the placement of violent and hardened criminals with people who just did something stupid. I strongly believe that prisons can create criminal minds in the lesser offenders and then you just have a worse problem than a burglar.

However, repeat offense of any kind should warrant a graduation to the next level of severity. I figure if you gave a burglar an education and training and he still breaks and enters, you are dealing with a criminal and it's safe to say that no amount of education is going to change that.
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Maybe we should use conditioning on prisoners. Put shock collars on them and let a few of them have relative free run within a testing area at a time. Only this testing area looks like a small neighborhood of strip mall with lots of easily committed crimes, and each time a prisoner goes to commit an offense, they get a jaw rattling shock.

Even if it didn't work it'd be funny and we could probably sell rights to a major network and make some money off 'em.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Maybe we should use conditioning on prisoners. Put shock collars on them and let a few of them have relative free run within a testing area at a time. Only this testing area looks like a small neighborhood of strip mall with lots of easily committed crimes, and each time a prisoner goes to commit an offense, they get a jaw rattling shock.

Even if it didn't work it'd be funny and we could probably sell rights to a major network and make some money off 'em.
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If we are gonna go for the PPV event ticket, then we may as well turn them loose on an island and tell them the last man standing gets 40 virgins. The twist at the end is that the 40 virgins are selected from a Star Trek convention. :D
 
jallman said:
if we are gonna go for the ppv event ticket, then we may as well turn them loose on an island and tell them the last man standing gets 40 virgins. The twist at the end is that the 40 virgins are selected from a star trek convention. :d
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winrar...winrar! ****ing WINRAR!!!

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j-mac said:
That is a great point hobo. The answer is NO they aren't being taught the essentials of marketable skills in the workplace. This is gone to the wayside to make room for course study like 'diversity studies', and 'the world and you'.....No lie, both are courses at my sons high school. What happened to shop, and auto repair?


j-mac
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High school became all about preparing people for college, which is great, if you're going to college. I totally agree we need more variation in what high school teaches. Of course, that leads to questions about funding... it is easier to buy books and pay a teacher than to keep a working shop.
 
apdst said:
Some people are inteachable. Career criminals who have spent more time in jail than out should be exterminated at some point.
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I'm sorry, but very few crimes justify state-sanctioned execution. Sure, one can argue for murder and treason, but most crimes under that do not justify execution. We can always just lock them up for the rest of their lives.
 
the makeout hobo said:
High school became all about preparing people for college, which is great, if you're going to college. I totally agree we need more variation in what high school teaches. Of course, that leads to questions about funding... it is easier to buy books and pay a teacher than to keep a working shop.
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With the money that is being dumped into the public school system ever year? There shouldn't be any excuse for not being able to afford it.
 
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