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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Does it matter? The people of that community established certain rules in a democratic fashion. The veteran was at no point forced to sign any contract. He agreed to those terms when he moved in and now anybody who points out that little fact is a troop hater or America! **** YEAH! political dissident. Everything and anything affects property values. At the end of the day its a matter of agreeing to sign a contract and not keeping your end of the deal on it.
    You are mistaken, HOAs usually require you to sign a contract (upon purchase) that include the covenants and you agree to pay an annual fee. That fee pays for services undertaken or contracted by the HOA, including paying lawyers to force you to follow the rules if necessary.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Does it matter? The people of that community established certain rules in a democratic fashion. The veteran was at no point forced to sign any contract. He agreed to those terms when he moved in and now anybody who points out that little fact is a troop hater or America! **** YEAH! political dissident. Everything and anything affects property values. At the end of the day its a matter of agreeing to sign a contract and not keeping your end of the deal on it.
    Again, I understand the contract HOA agruement and facts.

    But why would a HOA not allow American flags to fly in an American neighborhood? I am pretty sure, if flags were allowed to fly in that neighborhood, along with the HOA housing-nazi rules involved, property values would not be diminished but would probably increase.

    I mean, HOAs are fine I guess, in some instances, but there needs to be some common ****ing sense thrown into them from the get go.

    Can they attach/screw one of those 45 degree poles on the side of their homes and fly the flag that way? Or is that property-proof as well?

    [and I am joking with the nazi stuff...lol, dont take that to heart]

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    And respect isn't demanded. It is earned.
    I'd say he's earned it.
    I'd say that he keeps it by abiding by agreements into which he entered voluntarily. Like signing documents to buy a home where there was a HOA, for example.

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I'd say that he keeps it by abiding by agreements into which he entered voluntarily. Like signing documents to buy a home where there was a HOA, for example.
    Like how you were for giving AIG bonuses through legal contracts, even though your own government renigged on it and bastardized the employees and managers for allowing those legal contracts?

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Again, I understand the contract HOA agruement and facts.

    But why would a HOA not allow American flags to fly in an American neighborhood? I am pretty sure, if flags were allowed to fly in that neighborhood, along with the HOA housing-nazi rules involved, property values would not be diminished but would probably increase.

    I mean, HOAs are fine I guess, in some instances, but there needs to be some common ****ing sense thrown into them from the get go.

    Can they attach/screw one of those 45 degree poles on the side of their homes and fly the flag that way? Or is that property-proof as well?
    [and I am joking with the nazi stuff...lol, dont take that to heart]
    The HOA agreement negates the need for common sense, it tells you what you can & can not do......
    Some HOA's go as far to tell you what color is acceptable to paint your house.....
    They can always amend the By laws, if thet want to....

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Like how you were for giving AIG bonuses through legal contracts, even though your own government renigged on it and bastardized the employees and managers for allowing those legal contracts?
    It's OK when the GUBMINT does it.....

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Again, I understand the contract HOA agruement and facts.

    But why would a HOA not allow American flags to fly in an American neighborhood? I am pretty sure, if flags were allowed to fly in that neighborhood, along with the HOA housing-nazi rules involved, property values would not be diminished but would probably increase.

    I mean, HOAs are fine I guess, in some instances, but there needs to be some common ****ing sense thrown into them from the get go.

    Can they attach/screw one of those 45 degree poles on the side of their homes and fly the flag that way? Or is that property-proof as well?

    [and I am joking with the nazi stuff...lol, dont take that to heart]
    This disagreement is NOT about whether the HOA were willing to let him fly a flag. This disagreement was about whether he could have a free standing flagpole. He WAS permitted to fly a flag under the HOA rules from a different style of flag pole. It is dishonest of this veteran to try to make it out to be about being permitted to fly the flag. Dishonest enough to reduce my respect for him.

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Again, I understand the contract HOA agruement and facts.

    But why would a HOA not allow American flags to fly in an American neighborhood? I am pretty sure, if flags were allowed to fly in that neighborhood, along with the HOA housing-nazi rules involved, property values would not be diminished but would probably increase.

    I mean, HOAs are fine I guess, in some instances, but there needs to be some common ****ing sense thrown into them from the get go.

    Can they attach/screw one of those 45 degree poles on the side of their homes and fly the flag that way? Or is that property-proof as well?

    [and I am joking with the nazi stuff...lol, dont take that to heart]
    This is not the fact at all. You may fly a flag, just not from a free-standing flagpole.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    HOA's should be made illegal.
    Why? They're voluntary organizations. Let the market work its will.

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Like how you were for giving AIG bonuses through legal contracts, even though your own government renigged on it and bastardized the employees and managers for allowing those legal contracts?
    And even if this were true (which it is not), and it were indeed analogous (which it is not), then you would only have succeeded in saying that I don't deserve respect.

    Do you think that people who wilfully renege on agreements without cause deserve respect?

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