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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Nothing. I have something against sticking a flag pole on your property without seeking permission beforehand.
    Do you legally own his property or does he own it?

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that is my problem with any HOA. I would never move into a neighborhood where my neighbors could decide what and what I cannot put in my own yard. After all, if I buy a place, I want it to be MY property, not some communal ownership which, if you look at the face of it, is a form of Communism.
    Exactly, my house, my rules. If some jackass wants to dictate the terms of my property they can pay my mortgage, otherwise they can go take a leap off a high cliff.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Do you legally own his property or does he own it?
    The guy bought the house with the agreement that he would follow HOA rules. It was his choice to enter into that contract.

    While I don't agree with HOA, if you buy a house with an HOA, you are well aware of what you can and cannot do and you can choose not to buy the house.

    Personally I do not like HOA and I am very glad the place I am living at does not have one.

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Exactly, my house, my rules. If some jackass wants to dictate the terms of my property they can pay my mortgage, otherwise they can go take a leap off a high cliff.
    Then don't buy the house with an HOA agreement. It is simple as that.

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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    A person buying a house should be allowed to not join the HOA if he desires. The seller should not be penalized or otherwise forced by the HOA to force the buyer into joining.

    in other words, the HOA membership for communities of single family houses, not condos or townhouses, should be on a voluntary basis with any member able to withdraw without penalty.

    Come on, people, what the hell has happened to America when your neighbors can control the color you paint your house, your gardening choices, and your basketball backboard, let alone you flag pole!
    That's why I've always been opposed to property restrictions and to some extent, zoning laws.

    I was under contract to buy a piece of property last year. Half way through the process, I found out that there were restriction on half the stuff I wanted to do with the property, so I bailed on the contract. It was a big ass mess.

    HOA's should be made illegal.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Do you legally own his property or does he own it?
    Irrelevant. He wasn't forced to move into that neighborhood or sign any HOA contracts. He chose to. And got mad when he was told he couldn't do whatever he wanted simply because he's a veteran. I think I'll make it this the politically correct 'military card'. Where anybody who's ever served in the military is supposed to break contracts or simply get out of agreements simply because they've served. And their opinion and wishes are supposed to be unquestionable. Its 'Americas! **** YEAH's version of the race card.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Irrelevant. He wasn't forced to move into that neighborhood or sign any HOA contracts. He chose to. And got mad when he was told he couldn't do whatever he wanted simply because he's a veteran. I think I'll make it this the politically correct 'military card'. Where anybody who's ever served in the military is supposed to break contracts or simply get out of agreements simply because they've served. And their opinion and wishes are supposed to be unquestionable. Its 'Americas! **** YEAH's version of the race card.
    What if he refused to sign the HOA? Could he have moved into the neighborhood anyways?

    Dont get me wrong, I understand the purpose of HOAs, but is a flag pole really a big issue in a neighborhood? I mean seriously? I can understand standards for trashy yards, and not having 10 cars piled up on your lawn like a redneck, but does flying the American flag in an American neighborhood really affect property values?
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree with you, but I give you kudos for putting together a well thought out explanation of your position. Damn it, if you keep this up, I won't be able to joke about your short posts any more.
    Thanks, but I'm not sure what there is to disagree on. This isn't about whether you like HOAs or not. I don't particularly care for them, but we wanted to live in this neighborhood. I thought our convenants chairman was basically a Nazi, but I was in charge of landscaping and didn't have any say in how he did his job.

    If the convenants, of the HOA in question, stated no free-standing flagpoles allowed, then the 90 year old man was breaking the rules. It wouldn't matter if George Washington had the pole there. The HOA has no choice but to enforce the rule until the rule is changed. It's really quite simple. I'm sorry.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    What if he refused to sign the HOA? Could he have moved into the neighborhood anyways?
    No, he could not and the home sale would not have gone through.
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    Re: Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    What if he refused to sign the HOA? Could he have moved into the neighborhood anyways?

    Dont get me wrong, I understand the purpose of HOAs, but is a flag pole really a big issue in a neighborhood? I mean seriously? I can understand standards for trashy yards, and not having 10 cars piled up on your lawn like a redneck, but does flying the American flag in an American neighborhood really affect property values?
    Does it matter? The people of that community established certain rules in a democratic fashion. The veteran was at no point forced to sign any contract. He agreed to those terms when he moved in and now anybody who points out that little fact is a troop hater or America! **** YEAH! political dissident. Everything and anything affects property values. At the end of the day its a matter of agreeing to sign a contract and not keeping your end of the deal on it.
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