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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Why don't you post what you believe is the best evidence that Mann's Hockey Stick was manipulated?

    More recent scientific work has thoroughly debunked the Mann "hockey stick" analysis. It has been shown to rest on "collation errors, unjustified truncation or extrapolation of source data, obsolete data, incorrect principal component calculations, geographical mislocations and other serious defects," as well as "incorrect mathematics." There are indications, at least, that some of the errors on the part of Mann and his collaborators were deliberate--an instance of the corruption of science by politics and perverse financial incentives that underlies the entire global warming movement.

    Power Line - The Hockey Stick Hoax
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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    He's a whipped dawg.
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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Since when does the onus fall upon others to disprove your claims?
    Since the others allege that it is a myth.

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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There you go dog!
    Thanks Mr. Mac. What were the collation errors?

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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Why don't you post what you believe is the best evidence that Mann's Hockey Stick was manipulated?
    Maybe it was manipulated, maybe it was an error in methodology, maybe it was faulty math, but before the warmers start waving their banners, they should at least have the scientific honesty to demand stringent critical analysis and proof of the methods used before they start proclaiming "truth".

    The primary problem I have with the AGW camp is that its proponents use fear to sell the product. I'm amazed at how many people who condemn religion on the basis that it is fear-based will so readily buy into manmade global warming hype.


    But now a shock: Canadian scientists Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick have uncovered a fundamental mathematical flaw in the computer program that was used to produce the hockey stick. In his original publications of the stick, Mann purported to use a standard method known as principal component analysis, or PCA, to find the dominant features in a set of more than 70 different climate records.
    But it wasnt so. McIntyre and McKitrick obtained part of the program that Mann used, and they found serious problems. Not only does the program not do conventional PCA, but it handles data normalization in a way that can only be described as mistaken.
    Now comes the real shocker. This improper normalization procedure tends to emphasize any data that do have the hockey stick shape, and to suppress all data that do not. To demonstrate this effect, McIntyre and McKitrick created some meaningless test data that had, on average, no trends. This method of generating random data is called Monte Carlo analysis, after the famous casino, and it is widely used in statistical analysis to test procedures. When McIntyre and McKitrick fed these random data into the Mann procedure, out popped a hockey stick shape
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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Since the others allege that it is a myth.
    It's not an allegation.

    Allegations are unproven accusations.

    That anthropogenic global warming is a hoax is proven.

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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Maybe it was manipulated, maybe it was an error in methodology, maybe it was faulty math, but before the warmers start waving their banners, they should at least have the scientific honesty to demand stringent critical analysis and proof of the methods used before they start proclaiming "truth".
    Thanks, lizzie. Can you give an example of what you're talking about? Perhaps an instance where you believe a warmer failed to demand stringent critical analysis and proof of the methods he used before starting to proclaim "truth"?

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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not an allegation.

    Allegations are unproven accusations.

    That anthropogenic global warming is a hoax is proven.
    Why don't you post what you believe is the best proof that anthropogenic global warming is a hoax?

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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    You ain't got squat, do ya?
    We got emails where one of the world's foremost global warmers says that it's all BS. Can you beat that?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Human role in climate change not in doubt-UN's Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We got emails where one of the world's foremost global warmers says that it's all BS. Can you beat that?
    There is more than emails, there were many other documents.
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