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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    When people think of nuclear, they think of bombs. That's why we don't have nuclear power plants anymore: a negative connotation.
    Don't forget 3-Mile Island. Too many are too afraid that it will happen again.
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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Who gives a crap who came up with the idea? It sucks.
    Sulfur cap and trade markets have been extremely successful in reducing sulfur emissions and their related effect (affect?) upon acid rain. The problem with carbon cap and trade is that we don't really know just how much will cause serious problems. We knew for sulfur just how many tons would increase acid rain.
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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Don't forget 3-Mile Island. Too many are too afraid that it will happen again.
    Don't know what they have to be afraid of, since we don't use that technology anymore.

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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sulfur cap and trade markets have been extremely successful in reducing sulfur emissions and their related effect (affect?) upon acid rain. The problem with carbon cap and trade is that we don't really know just how much will cause serious problems. We knew for sulfur just how many tons would increase acid rain.
    Understood, but I'm talking specifically about carbon C & T.

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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Understood, but I'm talking specifically about carbon C & T.
    Cap and trade is not inherently a bad idea and it has been used successfully to combat certain emissions in the past. And we know that Co2 traps heat and have correlated many of the hottest periods on Earth to staggeringly high Co2 concentrations. The problem with cap and trade is that we don't have a firm grasp on just how much Co2 over natural amounts will cause significant impacts. We have estimates, but nothing on par with information that the Sulfur markets use. That and governments have repetitively shown themselves to lack the necessary backbones to stick to reductions. The British Government is an excellent example of why cap and trade won't work: they cave to every demand from industry for either more credits or cheaper ones. What's the point in a cap and trade when you refuse to systemically reduce credits?
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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Cap and trade is not inherently a bad idea and it has been used successfully to combat certain emissions in the past. And we know that Co2 traps heat and have correlated many of the hottest periods on Earth to staggeringly high Co2 concentrations.
    I'm not willing to impose comprehensive and worldwide economic regulations based upon mere correlation.

    The problem with cap and trade is that we don't have a firm grasp on just how much Co2 over natural amounts will cause significant impacts. We have estimates, but nothing on par with information that the Sulfur markets use. That and governments have repetitively shown themselves to lack the necessary backbones to stick to reductions. The British Government is an excellent example of why cap and trade won't work: they cave to every demand from industry for either more credits or cheaper ones. What's the point in a cap and trade when you refuse to systemically reduce credits?
    That, and China and India will never cooperate.

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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Don't know what they have to be afraid of, since we don't use that technology anymore.
    Agreed. Unfortenately the word "sheeple" comes to mind for a majority of people in the world.
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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sulfur cap and trade markets have been extremely successful in reducing sulfur emissions and their related effect (affect?) upon acid rain. The problem with carbon cap and trade is that we don't really know just how much will cause serious problems. We knew for sulfur just how many tons would increase acid rain.
    I tried to explain that to far-right sheep who post here without a lick of knowledge about science, gas, danger, etc.

    They don't care. Unless Beck or Hannity say it's okay, it's not okay.

    The far-right is now so-oooo conservative, they refuse to think for themselves. It's safer to let other people think for them.

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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I tried to explain that to far-right sheep who post here without a lick of knowledge about science, gas, danger, etc.

    They don't care. Unless Beck or Hannity say it's okay, it's not okay.

    The far-right is now so-oooo conservative, they refuse to think for themselves. It's safer to let other people think for them.
    Except your main goal is to regulate CO2 emissions, which, in case you were unaware, is different than sulfur.

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    Re: Obama administration formally declares danger of carbon emissions

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I tried to explain that to far-right sheep who post here without a lick of knowledge about science, gas, danger, etc.

    They don't care. Unless Beck or Hannity say it's okay, it's not okay.

    The far-right is now so-oooo conservative, they refuse to think for themselves. It's safer to let other people think for them.
    So how about nuclear? Safe and clean as they get. That's what I thought. Transparent as hell.

    Save the desperate "conservative" rants. You've lost on every point since the Obama got elected, you're about to lose the House and Senate, and you've gotten back to the same BS of the eight years prior. EVERYBODY sees it.

    Obama = Tiger Woods = Global Warming = Government Healthcare

    The gig is up.

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