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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I agree, but how does that change things? Sure, people were more loyal to their state, but we're discussing why the states left the union. That's different from the question of why individuals fought for or supported the Confederacy. They did it for lots of reasons, and slavery probably wasn't at the top of that list. But slavery was clearly at the top of the list of the reasons the states seceded in the first place. Any reading of the articles of secession show that.
    I think it was because basically Lincoln and Congress were picking on the South. Sounds petty, but if they had banned slavery everywhere at once, it might have gone different. There were tarrifs not being applied fairly as well. Look I'm glad ultimately the South lost, but I'm not going to sit here and agree that because of slavery the South was bad and the North was good. No no no no, it's not that damn simple.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think it was because basically Lincoln and Congress were picking on the South. Sounds petty, but if they had banned slavery everywhere at once, it might have gone different.
    Huh?

    Lincoln wanted to end slavery everywhere, not just end slavery in the South (as if it was anywhere but the South, and expanding west).

    There were tarrifs not being applied fairly as well.
    Maybe, but not enough to go to war over.

    Look I'm glad ultimately the South lost, but I'm not going to sit here and agree that because of slavery the South was bad and the North was good. No no no no, it's not that damn simple.
    See, that's the problem - you're assuming that saying that slavery was the chief cause of the war is saying that the South was bad and the North was good. Nobody said that. You're right, it's not that simple. Certainly the North didn't fight just to free slaves. Most Northerners didn't give a damn about a bunch of blacks down south, not enough to go die for them.

    On the other hand, many southern apologists have tried to avoid the fact that the primary cause of the war was slavery in order to redeem the South's reputation. That's wrong. The South embraced slavery, and fought a war primarily to keep it. That's a simple historical fact.

    (I've even seen people, even today, try to claim that slavery wasn't so bad and that blacks liked being slaves.)

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The war had many causes, linked together, and the number one cause was slavery. If slavery hadn't existed the war would never have happened.
    I'm going to say it would have happened but SOONER because without the free labor from slaves, the Northern Textile Industry would have crushed the Southern Plantation Economy faster.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I'm going to say it would have happened but SOONER because without the free labor from slaves, the Northern Textile Industry would have crushed the Southern Plantation Economy faster.
    How does a textile industry crush a plantation industry?

    And this would have led to civil war?

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Or you could buy a bag of salad mix for $2. and cook a chicken breast ($1.) and serve a healthy meal.

    Serve water with it and you have a low-cost healthy meal.

    It does take a little effort and you have to actually control what your kids eat instead of just giving them what they want to shut them up.


    That may be healthy food, but it doesn't come near approaching the necessary caloric content for a meal, regardless of whether it's healthy, or unhealthy.


    Calories in Salad Bag - Lettuce, Carrots & Cabbage
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    Trans 0 g Protein 0 g
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    Vitamin A 0% Calcium 0%
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    *Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL...are you refering to the slivers of carrots, cabbage and radish that is in the standard iceberg mix? There is little to no nutritional value in that.

    Farm-to-School : University of Minnesota.
    Sorry....but you cannot make a healthy meal for three kids for much less than $10. It just isn't going to happen.



    Yes, you can make a healthy meal for three kids for under $10. Aunt Spiker was just posting about this not too long ago, maybe I can find her post.


    But, in any case, making a meal for $10 would be a very generous amount of money to spend on groceries in a month, you would not need to shop sales, use coupons, or anything.

    Three meals/day x 30 day/month = 90 meals.
    Ninety meals/month x $10/meal = $900/month on groceries. And that's just for the kids. Not the parents. And, no toilet paper or soap for ANYONE !


    I'm guessing you don't do the shopping in your house, Disney?



    Here's a chart put out by the USDA on monthly food costs at thrifty, moderate, and liberal food plans: http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/Publication...fFoodOct09.pdf
    Last edited by jackalope; 12-10-09 at 04:18 PM.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How does a textile industry crush a plantation industry?

    And this would have led to civil war?
    For one, the tariffs favoring domestic textiles (mostly from the North), increasing the cost of imported goods (most of which were to the Southern States), and reducing the overseas market for southern raw goods like cotton (by way of making foreign textiles more expensive) were extremely detrimental to the South's plantation-based economy that was in kind of symbiosis with foreign buyers. Now one could argue that the South should have sold their raw goods to the North and the North sold their textiles to the south but we can go into all that later maybe.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    New poll shows 'Tea Party' more popular than Republican Party - Yahoo! News

    "Okay, suppose the Tea Party Movement organized itself as a political party. When thinking about the next election for Congress, would you vote for the Republican candidate from your district, the Democratic candidate from your district, or the Tea Party candidate from your district?"

    The response of all those who were polled was Democratic 36%, Tea Party 23% and Republican 18%.


    Long live the tea party movement. We should all encourage their efforts.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That may be healthy food, but it doesn't come near approaching the necessary caloric content for a meal, regardless of whether it's healthy, or unhealthy.
    Well damn.... guess me and a few million others don't eat healthy meals several times a week when we have a chicken salad for lunch or dinner.....

    Maybe you should have looked here. A REAL homemade grilled chicken salad has plenty of calories for one meal, maybe too many.

    Guess we should all be eating a Big Mac, fries, and a super sized soft drink... right?? I'm sure it has 2,000 calories.

    You need to let the Mayo Clinic know they are serving unhealthy meals.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Well damn.... guess me and a few million others don't eat healthy meals several times a week when we have a chicken salad for lunch or dinner.....

    Maybe you should have looked here. A REAL homemade grilled chicken salad has plenty of calories for one meal, maybe too many.

    Guess we should all be eating a Big Mac, fries, and a super sized soft drink... right?? I'm sure it has 2,000 calories.

    You need to let the Mayo Clinic know they are serving unhealthy meals.

    That's nice, but not at all what you said. You said you'd buy a bag of salad greens and a chicken breast and make a meal for three kids. Which is NOT calorically sufficient for a meal.

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